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Scott
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| tiptie wrote: | I love this quote from the Kerry camp:
| Quote: | "The facts are clear," said Mr Meehan. "The navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V and three Purple Hearts. This is a waste of taxpayers' dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime."
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"Wasting taxpayers dollars...........especially during wartime"
This is becoming such a comedy of dumb statements. |
It's in character; based on his voting record, John Kerry believes the Pentagon is a waste of taxpayers' dollars, even during wartime.
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shamrockgreen
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:55 am Post subject: |
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How much money? If the Navy can't afford, us Navy Wives can always pinch a penny to support the cause. I would be more than willing to pass a hat around for this one....... |
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tiptie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Where was Mr. Meehan when the Senate hearings were going on in 1971?
We certainly had the time and money to "waste" then "during wartime".
Time out for a little comedy. In the movie "Chicago" when the defense attorney was in trouble, the announcer broke in with the statement......"Ladies and gentlemen...a tap dance".
We are now seeing a meltdown and all that is left is tap dancing.......... |
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LiveFreeOrDie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Question: Will the JAG use external sources such as Kerry's own diaries, the Brinkley book, the Kranish book, Unfit for Command and testimony of witnesses, or will he/she just use Navy records?
As you know Kerry contradicts himself on many points and the JAG will not see this unless he/she compares the alternative source materials to the Navy records. |
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Polaris
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: |
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LiveFreeOrDie,
The JAG is a federal prosecutor and can subpeona all relavant records and evidence....and will.
Edit: I am assuming they will if they don't get cooperation. That is what any competant prosecutor would do. [I may be getting the legal term wrong, but basically if there is any evidence that relates to a case, the prosecutor can get his gloves on it.]
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integritycounts
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Pentagon to Investigate Kerry's Medals and Citations |
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| Quote: | | Among other records to be examined is a citation of Mr Kerry for bravery that was apparently signed by the former Navy Secretary, John Lehman, and contributed to the award of his silver star. The glowing citation states: "By his brave actions, bold initiative and unwavering devotion to duty, Lt Kerry reflected great credit on himself." But Mr Lehman denies all knowledge of the commendation. "It's a total mystery to me," he said last week. "I never saw it, I never signed it and I never approved it." . |
That says it all...as soon as Lehman said the above....they had to do an investigation....its one thing to not like a guy....its another thing if it appears that guy has been screwing around.....they may find nothing wrong here....but the have to check, they have no option. As soon as Lehman said the above, it forces the check....Navy crediblity obligates them to. |
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MassInd
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "The facts are clear," said Mr Meehan. "The navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V and three Purple Hearts. |
Notice he didn't say Silver Star with Combat V. Interesting.
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| Quote: | | LOL, they should do a mockumentary using the JAG TV show stars of the KErry flap. |
I guarantee they will, but it will be from the Left/hollywood slant. Won't be pretty. Dollars to donuts.
Now the aspiring CinC will have to attack the Navy (again). No, actually Bush will be painted as behind it all.  |
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producehawk
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| could it be that admirial Shachtee, (sorry about spelling) since he was the number two at jag, still has friends there that might be upset at him being called a liar? Perhaps this is being helped along by his influence. |
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gilliam
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Indianbaboon"]as I said earlier, at most they might mildly slap him on the hand over the combat V, I doubt they'll even touch the purple hearts.
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altering military records is a slap on the hand? |
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Malvern
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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MassInd wrote:
| Quote: | | Now the aspiring CinC will have to attack the Navy (again). No, actually Bush will be painted as behind it all. |
You know, I think you're right. I'm waiting for the dnc to blame Pres. Bush for hurricane Frances. THAT'S how outrageous they're getting.
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Indianbaboon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="gilliam"][quote="Indianbaboon"]as I said earlier, at most they might mildly slap him on the hand over the combat V, I doubt they'll even touch the purple hearts.
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altering military records is a slap on the hand? |
it deserves a lot more, i'm just being pessimistic as to what will actually result of the JAG investigation. I'm good at pessimism. |
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kmf
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| LiveFreeOrDie wrote: | Question: Will the JAG use external sources such as Kerry's own diaries, the Brinkley book, the Kranish book, Unfit for Command and testimony of witnesses, or will he/she just use Navy records?
As you know Kerry contradicts himself on many points and the JAG will not see this unless he/she compares the alternative source materials to the Navy records. |
I wouldn't have any problem if the only book they used was Unfit For Command. |
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sevry
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Indianbaboon wrote: |
it deserves a lot more, i'm just being pessimistic as to what will actually result of the JAG investigation. I'm good at pessimism. |
Lowering expectations. No one wants to be disappointed.
One way not to be disappointed would be to know specifically what charges they are investigating. It might be they would not go any further.
On the other hand, most anything of Kerry's they investigate is likely to lead to something underhanded on his part. I think they'll find the smoking M60 just 'breaking-apart' in their hands. I can't see them just throwing up their hands and saying - gee, what a pickle! |
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USAF66-70
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| Would President Bush allow it (publicizing any Kerry-Navy records problems)? If Bush in fact has anything to say about it, definitely not. Bush has and will continue to take the high road … unless he’s down in the polls come November. Poor Kerry. |
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swiftsocks
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Something really smells fishy here ! The date for sure is May 2004, but the mention of being 11 points ahead is telling.
Last week, AP Wire Services got caught lying about Pres Bush wishing Clinton a "swift" recovery. The article said the crowd responded with boos and turned out to be a complete and total lie. AP has yet to admit to the lie or retract the article. The leftist media has given Kerry a complete pass to SVBT.
There most certainly has been enough doubt cast on Kerry's medals and
everything he has said. We need to DEMAND answers now....not AFTER the election...and we deserve to hear from Kerry.......not his goons. |
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