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Saint Lt.Jg.
Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 144
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: BushWorld |
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In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home.
In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror.
In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power.
In Bushworld, we can win over Falluja by bulldozing it.
In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis can express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down.
In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you're insisting you're not planning.
In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes.
In Bushworld, it's O.K. to run for re-election as the avenger of 9/11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.
In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations.
In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity.
In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about Al Qaeda's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush.
In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America.
In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day.
In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections.
In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away.
In Bushworld, the C.I.A. says it can't find out whether there are W.M.D. in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are W.M.D.
In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft.
In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.
In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war.
In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9/11 commission like the Olsen twins.
In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements.
In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops.
In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information.
In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack" as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld. |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Learn about FDR's world... _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | Learn about FDR's world... |
The man who lead the Allies in the defeat of Facism? |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Learn about FDR's world... |
The man who lead the Allies in the defeat of Facism? |
Yeah, that one. Learn about America under FDR during WWII. You know, the America with its own concentration camps for its own citizens. The America with the press entirely and completely controlled by the government. The American where people did what they were told, when they were told, or they were imprisoned. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | Saint wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Learn about FDR's world... |
The man who lead the Allies in the defeat of Facism? |
Yeah, that one. Learn about America under FDR during WWII. You know, the America with its own concentration camps for its own citizens. The America with the press entirely and completely controlled by the government. The American where people did what they were told, when they were told, or they were imprisoned. |
The Japanese internment camps did not imprison all Americans. Learn your history a bit. What would you have done different in WWII. We can not even begin to speak about what those people did and what they were up against. They were the Greatest Generation Period. We owe them everything. Speak no more about this period of history you are obvisously ignorant about. |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Btw, "Saint"... you seem to enjoy spamming the boards. Let me suggest that you go over to military.com and do that. Much larger audience. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Saint wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Learn about FDR's world... |
The man who lead the Allies in the defeat of Facism? |
Yeah, that one. Learn about America under FDR during WWII. You know, the America with its own concentration camps for its own citizens. The America with the press entirely and completely controlled by the government. The American where people did what they were told, when they were told, or they were imprisoned. |
The Japanese internment camps did not imprison all Americans. Learn your history a bit. What would you have done different in WWII. We can not even begin to speak about what those people did and what they were up against. They were the Greatest Generation Period. We owe them everything. Speak no more about this period of history you are obvisously ignorant about. |
I see. When a Democrat is in office, and we are fighting a global war, then whatever rights they violate, whatever actions they take... that is ok.
But when a Republican is in office and we are fighting a global war... well whatever actions they take are facism.
You're very, very clear. Thanks. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | Saint wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Saint wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Learn about FDR's world... |
The man who lead the Allies in the defeat of Facism? |
Yeah, that one. Learn about America under FDR during WWII. You know, the America with its own concentration camps for its own citizens. The America with the press entirely and completely controlled by the government. The American where people did what they were told, when they were told, or they were imprisoned. |
The Japanese internment camps did not imprison all Americans. Learn your history a bit. What would you have done different in WWII. We can not even begin to speak about what those people did and what they were up against. They were the Greatest Generation Period. We owe them everything. Speak no more about this period of history you are obvisously ignorant about. |
I see. When a Democrat is in office, and we are fighting a global war, then whatever rights they violate, whatever actions they take... that is ok.
But when a Republican is in office and we are fighting a global war... well whatever actions they take are facism.
You're very, very clear. Thanks. |
You see FDR was a brilliant man and great leader and will be remembered in history. Bush on the other hand is a moron and will be remember among such Presidents as Zachary Taylor and and Buchanon.
Lets talk about current issues and the lack of leadership in the White House and the debacle that is Iraq. |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | You see FDR was a brilliant man and great leader and will be remembered in history. Bush on the other hand is a moron and will be remember among such Presidents as Zachary Taylor and and Buchanon.
Lets talk about current issues and the lack of leadership in the White House and the debacle that is Iraq. |
Lots of people who hated FDR and would have described him as a moron. Your claim doesn't make it so.
As for Iraq, I doubt you are competent to discuss it. You claim it is a debacle. Why? _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | Saint wrote: | You see FDR was a brilliant man and great leader and will be remembered in history. Bush on the other hand is a moron and will be remember among such Presidents as Zachary Taylor and and Buchanon.
Lets talk about current issues and the lack of leadership in the White House and the debacle that is Iraq. |
Lots of people who hated FDR and would have described him as a moron. Your claim doesn't make it so.
As for Iraq, I doubt you are competent to discuss it. You claim it is a debacle. Why? |
Well I guess even a moron can get elected to 4 terms according to you. Don't count on Bush getting a 2nd?
A debacle? Of course it is. There is no exit strategy. There is no defined role for our soldiers after June 30th. No mention is made of the fact we will be there for probaly a decade or more. Bush promised to get us out of Kosovo, but yet we are still there. Hussein was contained according to Powell in 2000, but yet we invaded predicated ont the fact that WMDs existed. Where are they? Osama and Al Quada are the real enemies, yet they run free while the bulk of our military force is mired in Iraq. There was and is no link between Saddam and Osama. We are now creating new terrorists on a daily basis thanks to the policies of Cheney and Shrub. The blood of the next terrorist attack on US soil will be on their hands. |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | There is no exit strategy. |
Actually, there is. Same exit strategy that we had for Germany.
Quote: | There is no defined role for our soldiers after June 30th. |
Actually, there is that too. Do you think you need to know it?
Quote: | No mention is made of the fact we will be there for probaly a decade or more. |
Did you miss the President saying that this would be a long and difficult struggle?
Quote: | Bush promised to get us out of Kosovo, but yet we are still there. |
Clinton promised to get us out too. What was your response to him? Any US military presence anywhere in the world is a different situation post-9/11 than it was pre-9/11.
Quote: | Hussein was contained according to Powell in 2000, but yet we invaded predicated ont the fact that WMDs existed. |
A few more reasons involved. Maybe you should go back and reread Powell's speech to the UN, and the President's speech to the people.
Syria? Buried? We have found Sarin and Mustard gas... they do qualify. Not to mention that weapons which were among those on the restricted list were used by Iraq in the first few days of the war.
Quote: | Osama and Al Quada are the real enemies, yet they run free while the bulk of our military force is mired in Iraq. |
The key is that they run. And it doesn't take a lot of military force to run down terrorists. It takes experienced soldiers of a certain type. And that is being taken care of, just fine.
Quote: | There was and is no link between Saddam and Osama. |
But there were lots of links between Saddam and terrorists. The war isn't on Osama, it isn't on Al-Queda. It is on terrorists and terrorism.
Quote: | We are now creating new terrorists on a daily basis thanks to the policies of Cheney and Shrub. |
What exactly do you think creates terrorists?
Quote: | The blood of the next terrorist attack on US soil will be on their hands. |
Who was the blood of the last one on? _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | Saint wrote: | There is no exit strategy. |
Actually, there is. Same exit strategy that we had for Germany.
Quote: | There is no defined role for our soldiers after June 30th. |
Actually, there is that too. Do you think you need to know it?
Quote: | No mention is made of the fact we will be there for probaly a decade or more. |
Did you miss the President saying that this would be a long and difficult struggle?
Quote: | Bush promised to get us out of Kosovo, but yet we are still there. |
Clinton promised to get us out too. What was your response to him? Any US military presence anywhere in the world is a different situation post-9/11 than it was pre-9/11.
Quote: | Hussein was contained according to Powell in 2000, but yet we invaded predicated ont the fact that WMDs existed. |
A few more reasons involved. Maybe you should go back and reread Powell's speech to the UN, and the President's speech to the people.
Syria? Buried? We have found Sarin and Mustard gas... they do qualify. Not to mention that weapons which were among those on the restricted list were used by Iraq in the first few days of the war.
Quote: | Osama and Al Quada are the real enemies, yet they run free while the bulk of our military force is mired in Iraq. |
The key is that they run. And it doesn't take a lot of military force to run down terrorists. It takes experienced soldiers of a certain type. And that is being taken care of, just fine.
Quote: | There was and is no link between Saddam and Osama. |
But there were lots of links between Saddam and terrorists. The war isn't on Osama, it isn't on Al-Queda. It is on terrorists and terrorism.
Quote: | We are now creating new terrorists on a daily basis thanks to the policies of Cheney and Shrub. |
What exactly do you think creates terrorists?
Quote: | The blood of the next terrorist attack on US soil will be on their hands. |
Who was the blood of the last one on? |
Your first reply is such a joke. Your comparing what we are doing now to the Marshall Plan? You are indeed lost. I am not even going to dignify you with responding to the rest of your spew. Go take a nap child. |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: |
Your first reply is such a joke. Your comparing what we are doing now to the Marshall Plan? You are indeed lost. I am not even going to dignify you with responding to the rest of your spew. Go take a nap child. |
In other words, you can't reply. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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BrianC PO2
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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I just joined this forum, and this is only the 2nd thread which I've read and replied.
Thus far, I have it:
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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BrianC wrote: | I just joined this forum, and this is only the 2nd thread which I've read and replied.
Thus far, I have it:
Greenhat: 1
Saint: 0 |
Maybe you missed it Douchebag....he compared the "Marshall Plan" of WWII to the current situation in Iraq...
Christ, I thought there were adults on here posting, not children. |
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