SwiftVets.com

[closer]

The article linked below is from Drudge today, and is definitely worth reading. Looks like they plan to end Vietnam focus as Bill Clinton's people take over!

Per the New York Times article; two CNN "Crossfire" anchors (James Carville, Paul Begala) .. both former Clinton aides, will now be advising the campaign. Begala says he will keep his position on the CNN show. Now that's a surprise isn't it? If some Fox anchors went to work for President Bush ... how long do you think it would take for the press to jump all over the Fox Network?

Then there's the addition of Stanley Greenberg. Greenberg, who was Clinton's pollster in 1992. He just resigned Tuesday as the pollster for "independent Democratic groups" that have been running advertisements attacking Mr. Bush so that he would be permitted, under the law, to play a more prominent role in advising Mr. Kerry's campaign. Note that the article said "to play a more prominent role in advising Kerry's campaign". Hummm .. thought the independent groups couldn't be involved at all in a candidate's campaign. Did they just tell us Greenberg had a role in Kerry's campaign .. just not a prominent role???

Remember all the media focus on Bush's outside counsel giving general legal advice to Swiftvets, and resigning because of it. Do you think the media will even question any conflict here??

NY Times

note: long URL changed to hypertext for better frame

[LewWaters]

It's going to be pretty hard to put this cat back in the bag, I think. All of Carvelle's screaching can't hide what is already out there and what others are digging for.
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[Indianbaboon]

LOL, it was Clinton's phone call that did it, wasn't it.

Kerry will lose on issues faster than he would as 'war hero'.

Swifties, keep the pressure on, this is about teh honor of the men and women who served in vietnam and Kerry mocking, deligitimizing, and destroying our soldiers there.

DON'T STOP

[Polaris]

:nod: Now Kerry loses for sure. With the economy recovering, and with a very weak and liberal senate record, Kerry's status as a war hero was what was supposed to make him viable. Without that shield, he is toast.

In fact IIRC, a Dem strategist during the convention said, "As long as we talk about Vietnam, we win."

Perhaps not....
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-Polaris

Truth is Beauty

[Hammer2]

The clintonistas will fail just as the Kerry team did. I believe they will fail for 3 reasons:

1. The die is already cast for Kerry. I think that between the Swiftie Ads, Kerry's public weaseling, Zell Miller's speech, and the public's perception after seeing both conventions, most people have decided Kerry is not to be trusted. Hence any further smear campaigns will be seen as further lies and distortions by the Kerry camp.

2. Despite the idea that the Dems have, that most people look back on Clinton as a great president and that times were better under Clinton, the truth is that most people regard Clinton as a liar and a moral reprobate. For the Kerry campaign to be seen as now under the control of the Clintons will only re-enforce in most people's minds that Kerry is not only not trustworthy, but that now he needs the help of the Clinton lie masters to bolster his prospects.

3. Clinton was a one of a kind. He has the ability to look people straight in the eye an tell the most outrageous lies, convincingly, and without a trace of lack of sincerity showing on his face. Kerry on the other hand cannot manage this task. His entire bearing displays his not having the courage of his convictions. He acts his roles, speaking smoothly, but without conviction. Any political strategy based on Clinton tactics will backfire because only Clinton could pull them off and look believable.
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"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
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[Polaris]

Hammer2,

I am going to quibble a bit on point 2. I think that most people look back at the 90s with fondness since it was an era of unprecendented economic growth. Unfortunately much of it was on paper, but the 90's where the equivalent of the "roaring 20s" and Clinton gets associated with that.
Chalk it up to nostalgia.

That said, Clinton will not go down as a great president in the ultimate judgement of history, and already I think that is being felt. In short, I don't think that Clinton is going to be able to help Kerry very much...especially during extensive post-operative recovery. Without Clinton's charm, I don't think that Clinton's tactics are going to help Kerry very much....not at this late stage.
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-Polaris

Truth is Beauty

[Indianbaboon]

LOL the raoring 20's are now looked at as a time of idiocy, it's only a matter of time before the roaring 90's president is looked upon the same way.

[rmeals]

The 20's were an out of control time of easy credit and inflated and manipulated stock prices. The 90's were the time of the internet bubble, with crazy assumptions about a new economy, hundreds of millions of venture capital dollars thrown into companies without a hope of ever making a profit, well-documented "irrational exuberance" in the overheated stock market, and lax enforcement of corporate financial responsibility. The stupidity of believing in a new economy with companies like pet.com temporarily creating high paying jobs for thousands of people, big gains in personal wealth because of the new phenomena of widespread stock ownership via 401k's etc plus wacking defense spending in a peacetime economy made life good for the Clinton regime. The internet bubble burst, the high tech economy took a hit, high paying jobs based on false premises disappeared, the stock market collapsed to more rational pricing based on historic measures of corporate value, and the country found it necessary to actually spend the monies required to use the military to defend our national interests and keep our homeland safe.
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[Hammer2]

I think we all remember in 2000, when Bush was warning during the campaign that the economy was heading into a recession. He talked about how quick action was needed to turn it around. At the time he was attacked for "Talking down the economy"

Well, he was right. Still waiting for the apology.

Now, in 2004, when every economic indicator is clearly showing that the economy is doing very well. Kerry is out there talking like it's the great depression and everyone's in a soup line. Not a peep anywhere about him "Talking down the economy"

It's enough to gag a maggot!
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"The price of freedom is eternal vigilence" - Thomas Jefferson
"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson

[integritycounts]

nice post....if the Mainstream media lets this fly without even challenging the concept that CNN should put these two commentators on unpaid leave, it will only further undermine the credibility of the media.

There is a reason why people are turning off the ABC NBC CBS and CNN, its because the news it too biased...some bias was acceptable.....but now it just over the top. Look at all the places senior Clinton people are working....look at Chris Matthews....a Democrat speech writer who maintains all his old contacts actively.

People are moving away in droves...and they will ignore this clear melting of journalistic ethics....if the don't strongly call for CNN to stop these Kerry advisors from taking the air.

There is an equal time law that should come into play too.

[Hammer2]

I understand that Paul Begala is joining the Kerry campaign AND is saying that he will still keep his job at CNN.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/politics/campaign/06kerry.html

The sheer unadulterated gall of these people. They don't even pretend to be objective. They just do it now and say So what? Then they act like you are some kind of a kook for even bringing it up!
Damn, these guys are like Jason in the "Friday the 13th movies", everytime you think they are gone for good they just keep coming back again and again.
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"The price of freedom is eternal vigilence" - Thomas Jefferson
"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson

[CandiM]

[jataylor11]

Clinton's people in charge?

Let us remember the Cole, the African embassies and Clinton's limp response to terrorism.

What about the documents in Sandy Berger's pants?

If, or when, the American public become aware of how the Clinton administration ignored terrorism and have tried to cover it up (Sandy Berger) I think that Clinton's involvement will only weaken Kerry either further on the issue of national security.

[jack white]

[Sun Tzu]