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War Dog
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: FoxNews Reporting on SBVFT's contributions. Reply with quote

FoxNews is reporting that SwiftBoat Veterans are not running ads at the moment. And that they have raised about 3 million in contributions over the internet, and about 500,000 in mail in contributions.

They are crediting the SwiftBoat Veterans for helping John Kerry's decline in the polls.

And of course Senator Kerry is still denouncing the SBVFT as lies.

Go figure!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'd expect denial from Bagdad John..... what else?

Major Garrett does a good job.... he needs to be asking about kerry's deferment.... I'll try to find an email address for him on fox....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UNPRECIDENTED HISTORY IN THE MAKING - the little people's voice has made a difference.

The press is mad because they usually hold the keys to who wins an election.

The campaign's are upset because they are so arrogant and think that as professionals they alone can make or break a candidate.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:47 pm    Post subject: Major Garrett says no to 527 Reply with quote

On Fox a few minutes ago, their reporter Major Garrett stated that the SwiftBoat Veterans for Truth can not be legally considered a 527 because a majority of donations(except for Perry in the beginning) are hard, not soft, money.
So what does this do to the Kerry desire to shut them down?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

527's are defined by what they do and say. That is how money is defined as hard or soft. 527's are soft and immune to the normal restrictions on contributions.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is the soft -vs- hard money?
ie all the small individual contributions from people here for example, is that hard, or soft

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! Fred says Kerry needs a personality transplant ! Think they can get that done in less than 2 months? Ha!

With Kerry taking on the Clinton people, all he needs now is a Clinton mask (and maybe a few women) ! That's why Clinton is having surgery (it's a coverup!) and will be out of the lime light.....

SO NO ONE SEES 2 Clinton-Kerrys !!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a clue, but I just read this discription of a 527
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527 Group – A tax-exempt group organized under section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code to raise money for political activities including voter mobilization efforts, issue advocacy and the like. Currently, the FEC only requires a 527 group to file regular disclosure reports if it is a political party or political action committee (PAC) that engages in either activities expressly advocating the election or defeat of a federal candidate, or in electioneering communications. Otherwise, it must file either with the government of the state in which it is located or the Internal Revenue Service. Many 527s run by special interest groups raise unlimited "soft money," which they use for voter mobilization and certain types of issue advocacy, but not for efforts that expressly advocate the election or defeat of a federal candidate or amount to electioneering communications.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:54 pm    Post subject: hard vs soft Reply with quote

Hard $ is from private citizens with no connection to any political organization or special interest group. Soft is the opposite.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

small amounts from the 'little' people = hard money

big money from super rich, corporations etc = soft money
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, a 527 is an issue-driven organization under the IRS tax code. It cannot tell you for whom to vote, it can only inform you about an issue. Thus, it can say "George Bush is wonderful," or conversely, "John Kerry is the biggest scum sucking liar to have ever lived," as long as they don't come right and say "Vote for Bush."

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Major Garrett says no to 527 Reply with quote

SCHUTZHUND wrote:
Major Garrett stated that the SwiftBoat Veterans for Truth can not be legally considered a 527 because a majority of donations(except for Perry in the beginning) are hard, not soft, money.


... and did he give a SOURCE for this information?

The folks running the SwiftVets 527 didn't just come out of the cabbage patch..... (but maybe HE did!)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:59 pm    Post subject: Hard and soft money Reply with quote

Go here to find out what hard money and soft money are: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/9105.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:00 pm    Post subject: source of Garretts statement Reply with quote

No source, just flat out stated because the contributions were from (unconnected) private individuals, it was not a 527.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:04 pm    Post subject: The "major" is wrong Reply with quote

The Fox "major" is WRONG - making him a "minor" in MY book! 527s can accept money from ANYBODY!

See: http://www.gnossos.com/webhelp/What_is_a_527_Organization_.htm


>>a §527 organization is permitted to accept contributions in any amount from any source.  However, the organization is required to make regular reports to the Internal Revenue Service of its funding and expenditures.<<
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