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dfountain3928
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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:20 am Post subject: Kerry and his discharge |
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Can someone please clarify, since Kerry was so against the war and wanted out as badly as he obviously did, and since he was an officer, didn't he have the option of resigning his commission.
I was always under the impression that an officer could do this. Or maybe was this only available after the inital enlistment? |
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Polaris
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:23 am Post subject: |
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dfountain,
You have to serve out your enlistment first. Actually, as I recall, you could resign your commission before your enlistment was up, but then you'd revert to enlisted status. I am not sure of all the regs that are behind this though (and would appreciate clarification from those that are more familiar with the germane regs).
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air_vet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:28 am Post subject: Why the additional 6 years |
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candidate Kerry had a 6 year obligation which ended in Feb '72 and he could have resigned his commission then - why he waited 6 more years until '78 to resign his commission is a complete mystery
maybe the secret is in records we'll never see - most likely it's just another example of him wanting to have things both ways at the same time ... do you hear the "flip-flop"? |
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drjohn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Ooops. I thought this was a discussion of Kerry's medical reports.  |
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Skywatch
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| drjohn wrote: | | Ooops. I thought this was a discussion of Kerry's medical reports. |
BAHAHAHA! 
Thanks for that... Made my day.
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air_vet
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| drjohn wrote: | | Ooops. I thought this was a discussion of Kerry's medical reports. |
I see you read them too.... |
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nickb
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| drjohn wrote: | | Ooops. I thought this was a discussion of Kerry's medical reports. |
glad you posted this... I was thinking the same thing, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to post...  |
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jrsdad
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| nickb wrote: |
glad you posted this... I was thinking the same thing, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate to post... |
According to Kerry. none of this is appropriate...
Don't question my patriotism! |
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greasepaint
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:16 am Post subject: |
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If Kerry received a 'bad paper' discharge (that was later upgraded),
could that fact be kept quiet?
Do we know for sure when Kerrry, resigned / the Navy revoked,
his commission?
Keep in mind, Kerry was transfered to the standby reserve in '72,
his discharge is dated '78.
Why would the Navy want this troublemaker kept around,
any longer than necessary? |
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drjohn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you know John Kerry was in Vietnam? |
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RogerDraftDodger
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:03 pm Post subject: Did Kerry receive an "Other Than Honorable Discharge&qu |
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This a indepth anylsis | Quote: | "
The enclosed brings up a new issue. I had noticed that his discharge
was dated in 2001 but didn't think much about it. The enclosed raises some interesting aspects.
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore, while Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of
the ordinary, and highly suspect.
There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.
His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along
with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor
under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th.
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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with
the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract
for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1
year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3
years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48
drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training.
Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from
making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements
against his country, especially during time of war. It is also
interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge
until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have
ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release
from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of
obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve
Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -
Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval
Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready
Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans
Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was
displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked,
thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on Assassinating
members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the
US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national
television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in
Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.
Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation
of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970
meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the
UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him
in direct violation of our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which
defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of
warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No
person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of
President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath. to
support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in
insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort
to the enemies thereof."
A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication
Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service
where all investigators are US Navy SEALs" |
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MJB
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Discharge in 2001???!!!??? Did I miss this in the book???
I served in the USAF from '88-'92, but am still actually in the Inactive Ready Reserve and haven't been discharged yet. I believe I was told I'd be in the IRR for 10 years after active duty - so I've assumed I'm still in because of the military call ups and ongoing hostilities over the past several years.
But even so...
Kerry wasn't finally discharged until 30 years later??? Where is this validated?
Doing a little more digging, I see from his web site records that he was discharged from a`tive duty to the Ready Reserve in '72 (honorably) and discharged from the Ready Reserve (honorably) in '78.
Where does 2001 come from?
MJB
USAF '88-'92
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greasepaint
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Roger...
>Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3
3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48
drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training.
Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. <
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My understanding is: Kerry COULD have been put in a 'drilling' unit',
but the Navy decided to put JK in a non drilling unit.
And in 1972, his duty was changed from 'Naval reserve' to
'standby reserve'. All along, inactive.
Therefore, Kerry, being not being on active duty, was not
subject to the UCMJ. |
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buffman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Did he meet with the North Viets before he went to inactive?
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ArmyWife
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| buffman wrote: | | Did he meet with the North Viets before he went to inactive? |
No, buffman. According to the chronology in the book, Kerry was released from active duty in the Naval Reserve back to Inactive duty in the Naval Reserve on January 3, 1970. They list his first meeting with North Vietnamese officials in Paris later. That's why I keep posting to the hopeful in this forum that he probably couldn't be successfully charged under UCMJ...political acts are allowed when off-duty in the Reserves. |
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