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hist/student
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War Dog
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| Quote: | | Well what is your solution? Continue to kill and make new enemies? Is that your solution? Maybe you all want another attack on our Homeland. I truely believe that is what you war mongering Neo Cons want. It makes you hard. You like the drama and you like it when innocents get killed. The typical John Wayne syndrome. An old Sarge of mine once advised that being John Wayne will get you killed. We have John Wayne in the White House now, and a bunch of wanna be followers on this board. |
No, these people honestly believe that it is better to be a coward, and to cow down to those that want to kill them. They have learned nothing from history, and perhaps never will. Appeasement has never worked in any war or conflict in the entire history of the world. But that doesn't stop these people from continuing to hope that one day, it might!
Just like the communists and socialists in the world who refuse to learn the lesson that communism and socialism has never worked and never will. They feel that the right people to institute it just haven't come along yet, and of course, they consider themselves the right people with the right ideas!
I won't call them fools, but you can! 
Those who understand, understand!
Those who do not understand, will never understand!
War Woof!
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Saint
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| War Dog wrote: | | Quote: | | Well what is your solution? Continue to kill and make new enemies? Is that your solution? Maybe you all want another attack on our Homeland. I truely believe that is what you war mongering Neo Cons want. It makes you hard. You like the drama and you like it when innocents get killed. The typical John Wayne syndrome. An old Sarge of mine once advised that being John Wayne will get you killed. We have John Wayne in the White House now, and a bunch of wanna be followers on this board. |
No, these people honestly believe that it is better to be a coward, and to cow down to those that want to kill them. They have learned nothing from history, and perhaps never will. Appeasement has never worked in any war or conflict in the entire history of the world. But that doesn't stop these people from continuing to hope that one day, it might!
Just like the communists and socialists in the world who refuse to learn the lesson that communism and socialism has never worked and never will. They feel that the right people to institute it just haven't come along yet, and of course, they consider themselves the right people with the right ideas!
I won't call them fools, but you can!
Those who understand, understand!
Those who do not understand, will never understand!
War Woof! |
Bro I am with you here. However I believe our fight is elsewhere and not in Iraq. Bush has lead us down the wrong path and it has cost lives. Put the force we have in Iraq in Afghanistan and we would have had Osama by now. Iraq was contained by the no fly zones. Who cares. They were not a threat to anybody but themselves. Now the whole area is volitile. We have to contend wtih Iran now and an unstable Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile Osama is making tapes and laughing at us in his cave. I wanted Justice after 911 and so far Bush has not delivered. |
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LewWaters
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There is only one way to end the war on terror, annihilate terrorists. No, we won't get them all, but as we did with Nazis in the 1940s, slaughter enough of them and they think twice before rearing their ugly heads again. When they do, they become just another target to slaughter.
You want a workable "exit strategy?" Support our military and help them win the fight, not give up.
As Neville Chamberlain showed us in 1937, you cannot appease tyrants. Sooner or later, we need to stand up to bullies and fight them to the finish. Any who don't want to help fight terrorism don't deserve the freedoms they claim to have and will soon lose it.
We should have started this battle 30 years ago, but as usual, tried appeasement and finger pointing and let them become as powerful and well placed as they are. It isn't about Christian vs Muslim, Christianity has it's terrorists within and if they rear their ugly heads, they need chopped off too. It's about radicals ruling the rest of us. Don't fight them now and one day, you may be trying to fight them while your wives are wearing a burkha and being killed for putting on eyeliner. |
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Well, here is my question. When people are motivated to die becuase it is the most honorable act for their religion, how is killing them going to make them want to stop? |
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carpro
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| Saint wrote: | It will n ever end, however once Bush and the Neo Cons are gone, Al Queda should have a tougher time recruiting. As long as the moron is in office, they will have an easy time getting new members.  |
If that happens, Al Queda won't need any more recruits. they won't have to worry about being hunted down and can plot and attack at their leisure.
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carpro
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| kyleparr wrote: | | Well, here is my question. When people are motivated to die becuase it is the most honorable act for their religion, how is killing them going to make them want to stop? |
What would you suggest? Patting them on the head and telling them you understand?
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kyleparr
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I guess I am trying to point out the possible futility of the current effort. Also, I do not think there were a ton of terrorists in Iraq before, but I think there are a shitload now. Not to mention North Africa, Europe, Asia Pac, and everywhere else there are sympathetic Muslims.
I guess you folks advocate killing everyone that is a terrorist. How do you pick them out? Another lesson from Vietnam perhaps? You can't tell who is and isn't. |
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nodefense
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| It will end in the Third World War. As the war intensifies, most of the coalition will be forced to blame the US and quit the fight. Others will covertly join the terrorists in what will become a war against the US and some eastern European countries. The worlds economy will plunge into yet unthinkable depths, as the oil stops flowing. The US will no longer be able to protect the world and total chaos will prevail, truly hell on earth. Or not, who really knows. |
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hist/student
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kyleparr
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Hist/Student. As the night wore on you lost some luster. Who are you going to fight? That is my point. Ask the soldiers in Iraq, tough guy.
As for the people on the flight, noone really knows what happened. Catalog it to urban legend.
Why are you so scared of Muslims?
To the person, somewhere above, that posted about the Muslim conduits to god, that is wrong. Isalm teaches that noone is a channel to god for the believer. the believer talks with god directly when called to prayer. Theoretically, there is no clergy. Of course, this is also the problem that is the root of the Sunni, Shiite conflct.
All of this is good stuff. Can some please point me to Kerry dialogue that created all the hate? |
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LewWaters
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carpro
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[quote="kyleparr"]
Why are you so scared of Muslims?
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Scared is probably not the right word. But, it seems far too many of them want me dead. You and anyone else that doesn't think or believe as they do; well, a lot of them want you dead, too. If you're an American, it just sweetens the pot. Then they don't care if you are Muslim or Christian or what, they want you dead.
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hist/student
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campjwIII
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K. Parr
| Quote: | | “I am confused. Exactly how does this "War on Terror" end and when will we know it is over? Israel seems to have one that has not gone so well and the English can tell us about Ireland. How is what is going on now going to get things stabilized? “ |
Your Confusion is obvious. Perhaps you should actually research the ideology of the Fundamentalist Islamic Agenda as well as al Qaeda’s goal.
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| Quote: | | “It will n ever end, however once Bush and the Neo Cons are gone, Al Queda should have a tougher time recruiting. As long as the moron is in office, they will have an easy time getting new members.” |
You have failed to understand that al Qaeda’s plans have nothing to do with who is in office. 9/11 was a planned in the Philippines in 1995 presented to bin Laden and he modified the plans the effect you witnessed.
Whatever a “Neo Con” is- it appears that they are your scapegoat –ignoring the al Qaeda attacks on US targets during the Clinton Administration.
It appears you have no solutions -only complaints.
| Quote: | | “I guess I am trying to point out the possible futility of the current effort. Also, I do not think there were a ton of terrorists in Iraq before, but I think there are a shitload now. Not to mention North Africa, Europe, Asia Pac, and everywhere else there are sympathetic Muslims. “ |
You guess? Perhaps you haven’t seen the Thai solution to terrorist attacks.
| Quote: | | I guess you folks advocate killing everyone that is a terrorist. How do you pick them out? Another lesson from Vietnam perhaps? You can't tell who is and isn't. |
I see you are stuck in the last century.
NEWS FALSH: Things have changed. Intelligence gathering has changed. A prime example is the dismantling of al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan. Naturally you will see the intelligence failures –but not recognize the intelligence successes –the Capture of Hambali for example.
What you also fail to understand is that Fundamentalist Islamic Imams and their terrorist followers have existed long than the United States.
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