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ArmyWife
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Has Steve Nash, the AuthentiSEAL guy, got documentation that Kerry received the Honorable Discharge in March 2001?
I'm with MJB here...this is news to me! I can't find it in the book.
I just checked AuthentiSEAL's website in case there was more info there, but of course, since John Kerry isn't a SEAL, I found nothing.
RogerDraftDodger, was that a personal email you received from Nash or can you provide a link? |
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air_vet
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| ArmyWife wrote: | | Has Steve Nash, the AuthentiSEAL guy, got documentation that Kerry received the Honorable Discharge in March 2001? |
The docs on the candidate JK website show he received an honorable discharge in 1978. |
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Truegrit
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: Kerry's military records |
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Since Kerry is a public figure, and his military service is a legitimate matter for discussion, why must release of his service records depend solely on his authorization? Why can't a court order release of his records, for public scrutiny?
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Misty
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| air_vet wrote: | | ArmyWife wrote: | | Has Steve Nash, the AuthentiSEAL guy, got documentation that Kerry received the Honorable Discharge in March 2001? |
The docs on the candidate JK website show he received an honorable discharge in 1978. |
It looks to me that Kerry started trying to clean up his record in 2000+. All of the paperwork I have seen states that his discharge was as of 2-16-78 (which I do not understand at all). Perhaps it is because he had to sign documentation to receive his discharge and he did not make himself available to do that until he decided to run for the Presidency. ???
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lrb111
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| air_vet wrote: | | ArmyWife wrote: | | Has Steve Nash, the AuthentiSEAL guy, got documentation that Kerry received the Honorable Discharge in March 2001? |
The docs on the candidate JK website show he received an honorable discharge in 1978. |
He may be referring to the DD-215 that has corrections for the DD-214.
It's dated Mar. 12, 2001.
If you want to do a scan of kerry's site for .pdf files try this google.
copy and paste this in the search window,
site:johnkerry.com filetype:pdf
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ArmyWife
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We've got 2 threads here in the forum that have crossed.
Also see the thread entitled: Kerry's Reserve Status in '70/'71
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8002
lrb111 has it right...the date of the DD 215 must be where Nash, or whoever wrote that, got the mistaken idea that Kerry recieved his honorable discharge in March 2001. I think the mystery has been solved, and Kerry's honorable discharge is legit. |
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brotherofvietvet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: Kerry's status as inactive reserve |
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I am confused. One writer stated this below:
"On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -
Inactive. "
Was he transfered inactive in January 3, 1970 or July 1972?
What records can we rely on? |
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greasepaint
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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brother... a brief timeline
Kerry tranfered from active duty, to the ready reserve - but a
totally inactive-non drilling unit. in 1970 *
Kerry was transfered to the standby reserve 1972
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* I suppose that the Navy COULD have put Kerry in
a reserve unit that trained, but chose not to. |
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Misty
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| greasepaint wrote: | If Kerry received a 'bad paper' discharge (that was later upgraded),
could that fact be kept quiet?
Do we know for sure when Kerrry, resigned / the Navy revoked,
his commission?
Keep in mind, Kerry was transfered to the standby reserve in '72,
his discharge is dated '78.
Why would the Navy want this troublemaker kept around,
any longer than necessary? |
I think he was transferred to ready reserve on 1-3-70 and standby 7-1-72. Those number do not add up at all, particularly when the actual discharge was not until 2-16-78. I think he welched on the obligation until he ran for Congress and had things cleaned up some. The jerk needs to sign that 180!
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greasepaint
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Misty, don't expect numbers to add up.
An early release from active service agreement, I guess,
was agreed to, by both Kerry and the Navy.
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Also,
Does anyone know how much, if any, additional obligation for
active duty did Kerry assume, when he made his contract
with the Navy concerning being an Admiral's aide? |
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Robert Cooper
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John Kerry did plenty before his early discharge March 1, 1970, that would warrant something other than an honorable discharge - ie, if the Navy was informed of Kerry's political activities before his early discharge.
According to Chris Gregory, Jerome Grossman introduced Kerry to the vets in Cambridge, "LISP" who were providing legal assistance to draftees and enlisted on how to file for conscientious objection. Kerry approached them to organize a Cambridge charter of the VVAW - an organization he was associated with in New York. I haven't discovered the exact time of this meeting yet, it could have been as early as Sept. 1969 - the Mass PAX caucus was working to nominate Father Drinan, and Kerry had not put in his bid for the nomination yet.
READ: http://www.lexingtonbattlegreen1971.com/files/Gregory,%20Chris.pdf
Oct. 14, 15, 1969 - Kerry Pilots Adam Walinsky about the State of NY relating to the Anti-War Moratorium.
Date that Kerry requested an early discharge is not clear - however, Cmdr. Walter F. Schlecy, Jr. submits his recommendation for Kerry's early discharge on Nov. 24, 1969. By this time Kerry had already set the groundwork for running against Philbin in Mass.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Recommendations_For_Next.pdf
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185
Jan, 1970 - Early discharge approved by Director of Navy Personnel, to be effective March 1, 1970. Kerry had 31 days of leave on his books.
In Feb. 1970, Kerry drops out of the race and supports Father Drinan.
Mar. 1, 1970 - Kerry Discharged from active duty.
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