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[You GottaBeKidding]

Computer professional (using small computers since 1982, doing word processing and desktop publishing and fonts for years) and I vote forgery. I was able to duplicate these with very little effort using Word. There are all sorts of red flags.

[gulf1609]

[quote="gulf1609"]Found address on another form. Looks like the PO box address is correct. Look down onthe bottom left. I don't think the PO address is the one that would be used for anything but mail. The forms on this site also list a different zip for the actual base and another for the PO box. Anyone have any idea how this worked?

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http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp[/quote]

Compare the headings on these docs. with the CBS documents.

[Nomorelies]

forgeries. all of them.
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[azpatriot]

10 year IT pro here have worked with lots of font's and documents and these are forged , it's MS Word default config, no question about it!
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[Debs]

Arymann, great point as one should only "misunderestimate" Bush at their own peril - and he's a master poker player too!!!! (lol)
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[fr11]

I vote forgery

[truthhunter]

Could this have been a ploy by CBS?

How's this for a possible theory:

Perhaps CBS suspected these documents were forged, but decided to take a calculated risk and run the story anyway. They may not have anticipated the fast response to their story. If we had not discovered this and pushed it hard today, it's quite likely this story would have been buried by all media outlets as they focus on Hurricane stories and tributes to 9/11 which will occupy the entire weekend and a good portion of next week.

CBS might have planned this hit piece to do it's damage anticipating other news would overwhelm any response to the piece.

We need to keep this story going for another week, otherwise it will disappear amid 9/11 tributes and Hurricane news. The media will need a good story like this once 9/11 and Hurrucane Ivan passes.

[You GottaBeKidding]

Tom,

Kill the thread? This has to be one of the hottest threads here, and it's in Geedunk <g>. (I understand why, but I'll bet a lot of us who spend most of our time in the regular area are hanging out here right now. I surely am glad I don't have any pressing deadlines today!)

[Doc Jerry]

I emailed Hugh Hewitt soon as I posted just in case he was not on anyone's list. Thanks folks. Great work. Great work. I have to believe Hugh will pick this one up.


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[DenisC]

One of the memo's refered to "Lt. Bush". NEVER would he have wrote Lt. Bush without a first name and Service number. NEVER. All one has to do is secure any other memo from this writer written at about the same time. The FBI should be all over this considering it is a clear forgery of Government papers.
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[Will]

All forgeries as far as military content goes. A squadron commander would never have written these. Credentials below. Bless everyone who took part in this incredible effort.
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[DenisC]

I forgot to mention how great it is that Algore invented the Internet!!!!!!
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[dcrhere]

National Review's on it, too:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp

[arymann]

I saw speculation somewhere (thought it was on this thread) that "Carville should have at least used a typewriter." If the theory that the Clintoons do not want Kerry elected, this all could have been a set-up. Why else would someone do such an amateur forgery job?

[dcrhere]

And here's one expert who's "90% positive" they're fake:

(UPDATED: "At Least" 90% Positive They're Fake)

Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake?
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC.

Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that may have an expertise in old typefaces.

After contacting several experts, a rather notable Forensic Document Examiner named Dr. Philip Bouffard took the time to examine a pdf of the documents and perform an initial visual analysis of their authenticity. Dr. Bouffard has a PhD in Chemistry from the University of Michigan, but got involved in forensic examination of typefaces after working in “graphics” with NCR until 1973 and taking a two-year Certification Program in Document Examination at Georgetown University. After completing the program, he became specifically interested in typewriter classification and went to work for a prosecutor’s crime lab in Lake County, Ohio.

Using something called the Haas Atlas, the definitive collection of various typefaces, Mr. Bouffard (and other forensic document examiners) examined the veracity of various documents for over 30 years. Beginning in 1988, Mr. Bouffard hired a programmer to write a computer database program that catalogues the nearly 4,000 typefaces that appear in the Haas Atlas. This computer program is now a forensic standard that is sold as a companion to the Haas Atlas by American Society of Questioned Document Examiners (ASQDE). Though semi-retired, Dr. Bouffard is one of the top two experts in forensic document examination (regarding typefaces) in the country.

UPDATE: The name of the program that Dr. Bouffard developed is called "The Typewriter Typestyle Classification Program" (C:\TYPE).

What did Dr. Bouffard think of the documents?

First, the necessary caveats:

• The pdf document is of poor quality. It seems to have been copied and recopied several times, blurring letter characteristics.

• Also, certain types of analysis can only be done on the original documents, which don’t seem to be available, even to CBS.

So Dr. Bouffard is very clear that his analysis is not 100% positive. That being said …

“It’s just possible that this might be a Times Roman font, which means that it would have been created on a computer. It’s very possible that someone decided to create this document on a computer... I’ve run across this situation before … my gut is this could just well be a fabrication.”

The reasons why?

• Right off the bat, Dr. Bouffard noted what others in the blogosphere have been talking about – something called “proportional spacing,” which means that each letter does not take up the same amount of width on the page. On old typewriters that do not have proportional spacing, the letter “i” would be as wide as the letter “m.” Except for professional typesetting, proportional spacing was only available on a very few models (an IBM model, "Executive" and perhaps one or two other models Mini-Update: Dr. Bouffard e-mails to correct me that it was seven or eight possible models, not one or two - Ed) that were not widely available in 1972-73; the vast majority of typewriters did not have proportional spacing. Because of this, Dr. Bouffard’s computer program immediately eliminated “over 90%” of the possible fonts from typewriters that could create such a document, narrowing it down to perhaps 15 fonts used by a very few models.

• Next, Dr. Bouffard began entering individual characters in an attempt to match them to the remaining fonts that were available on proportional spacing typewriters of that era, focusing on numbers. Thus far, one character stood out, the number “4.” In the document provided by CBS News, the number 4 does not "have a foot" and has a “closed top,” which is indicative of Times New Roman, a font exclusive to more modern computer word processing programs. other characters matched the old proportional spacing fonts (available on only a small few typewriters of the era), but this number did not (please note that this is only an initial analysis with numerical characters).

Dr. Bouffard ran this number and could not find a match in his entire database of over 4,000 typewriter fonts that have been maintained and collected into his computer database since 1988. Otherwise, the font is very indicative of Times New Roman, the font that is only available on computer word processing programs.


The final word?

Once again, let’s not forget the qualifications: it's a bad copy of a copy and we have no original document for review, but, based on the initial analysis of the documents by an industry expert with over 30 years of experience in typesetting and forensic document examination, the documents “could just well be a fabrication.”

In light of this information, I think that it would be highly appropriate for CBS News and the Boston Globe to attempt to obtain a copy of the original document for more thorough vetting, and run a correction/addendum to the story.

I still have two other forensic document examiners that are examining the pdf file, and I will update if/when they get back to me. I also plan to ask Dr. Bouffard more detail about the nature of the "th" on the end of dates, though in our first conversation he indicated that some typewriters had the capability to do something in that format.

UPDATE: Dr. Bouffard called me again, and after further analysis, he says that he's pretty certain that it's a fake.

Here's why

* He looked through old papers he's written, and noted that he's come up against the inconsistency of the "4" several previous times with forgeries that attempt to duplicate old proportional spaced documents with a computer word processing program.

* Regarding the small "th" after the date, Dr. Bouffard told me that it was possible to order specialty keys that would duplicate the automatic miniaturization completed by word processors after a numerical date, but it was certainly not standard, and wouldn't make a lot of sense in a military setting. "That by itself, while suspicious, is not impossible, but in conjunction with the (font irregularity of the) number four, it is really significant," he said.

* Dr. Bouffard said that signature analysis isn't that relevant because the signature could have easily been copied and pasted onto one of the photocopied forgeries from another document.

* He said that he didn't know who CBS contacted to verify the document's authenticity, but that there is really only one other man that may be more qualified to determine authentic typefaces than himself. I think that the burden of proof may be on CBS to reveal this information.

I asked him to put a percentage on the chances that this was a fake, and he said that was "hard to put a number on it." I then suggested "90%?" Again he said it's "hard to put an exact number, but I'd say it's at least that high, sure. I pretty much agree that that font is Times New Roman."

I hesitate to render verdicts, but based on an initial visual analysis by one of the country's foremost forensic document analysts that specializes in old typefaces, it looks like CBS was duped.

UPDATE: Apologies for the hasty error on Dr. Bouffard's first name - it's Philip.


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