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Interested
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can the 35-13 reference be traced back to an earliest document? probably from the 2000 campaign I'm guessing?
still alot later than '72-3 *grin* |
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Nathanyl
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| Quote: | According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.
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I don't think Rove would believe something that stupid would ever see daylight. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Wooohoooo!!!!! Got the happy dance going on NOW!
CBS is ticked for being made to do the Kerry campaign's heavy lifting? TS and BS!!!
That's what happens when you become the champion of a campaign - WTH did you expect!
Blame it on the Kerry campaign now - your lack of backbone and intellectual dishonesty and laziness had noooooo part in it, right? Right! 
As SandiM said earlier - the Kerry campaign could save a bunch of money by shutting down its own web site and just referring visitors to CBS!!!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Tell ya what.....
This is gonna get real good.
Man-O-Man, I'm about blind from staring at this monitor!
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cipher
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Re: that eo47.com document. That is NOT an official USAF document. It is a compilation of a document, transposed and subject to error. If it was a .mil site, I'd give it more weight. I'm sticking with the typo theory on that one.
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Interested
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35-13 is referenced here in Bush's record..this is linked from the BushAWOL site
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif
this is probably the source of the cite I'm guessing?
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lrb111
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| You GottaBeKidding wrote: | Mona,
I repeat. Kerning IS NOT automatic in Word. You have to turn it on, and the place to do so is not easy to find. The person who created these documents would almost certainly not know how to turn it on.
I know what kerning is. I teach this stuff. I typed all four documents WITHOUT KERNING and they match. |
YGBK, before i lose one of your posts again. I know there are folks quoting "experts" that are 90% sure, 98¼ %, etc.
Your dead match overlays in Word, are a 100 % fingerprint match. End of story.
The rest of the military errata is more wood on the fire, proving it was a non-military person that created them.
I have one of those carbon paper based Brother Fax/Copier things. I printed out the memo. Then ran it through that sad excuse for a copier 3 times. Nearly the same as a 3rd generation fax, but a little cleaner.
What i have in my hand is a lot more beleivable, than what CBS had. 
But it still matches up identically as a Word.doc  
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arymann
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| Nathanyl wrote: | | Quote: | According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.
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I don't think Rove would believe something that stupid would ever see daylight. |
If Karl Rove could pull something this off, he deserves his reputation as "the brain." |
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cipher
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Wooohoooo!!!!! Got the happy dance going on NOW!
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As long as you're not skyclad on the flight deck, carry on!
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| Quote: | ...the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.
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You just had to know this was coming.
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ProudDaughterofVet
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Finally...about time the media did its job..I wish I were a fly on the DNC wall tonight..whew, watch out..it is about over folks..I can picture staffers of Kerry's jumping ship like rats from a sinking ship. Wonder who will take the heat on this one..any ideas?
A night we can actually say Well done MSM?? Okay, maybe the euphoria is going to my head..sorry..but what the heck, kuddos to Nightline and ABC..there I said it..now, be nice to me and let me have this moment..  just joshing..enjoy the news for now, and lets wait and see where this goes..but in the meantime, give yourselves a pat on the back..we continue to do good work, the country must listen, and I think they are beginning to..
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Chuck Z Ombie AC2000
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Nightline on now about this
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You GottaBeKidding
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lrb111,
I didn't do an overlay because the PDF printouts are reduced in size a bit. However, the spacing was the same.
I'm not convinced that either a copier or FAX was used. I think the document could be scanned at low resolution. I've seen reports of people scanning and using Photoshop settings to get the same effect.
Anyway, there are any number of very simple ways that the fake documents can be produced. It doesn't matter which one was used, it just matters that lots of people have been able to produce similar documents, meaning that it wouldn't take anything special to do it. |
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Hondo
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Folks:
It's premature as hell to run with the 35-13 issue as a "smoking gun". We need to finish our homework first.
My guess is that the AFI 35-13 reference is legit, but is to a AF reg/instruction that's been renamed/renumbered at least twice since the early 1970s. From the context, I'd guess it was a personnel reg dealing with flight status and the admin requirements pertaining thereto.
It may take a day or two, but we can check this out. Someone in the group HAS to know someone who WAS an AF personnel specialist or officer in a flying unit in the 1970s. They would likely know from firsthand knowledge if AFI 35-13 is a legit reference or not, as I'm sure they had to use it pretty often in flying units if it was legit. If the individual served into the 1990s, they might even be able to point us to its successor(s).
Alternatively, we could seek help from sources within the current USAF. Someone there should have access to historical archives and documents, including obsolete regs. Be advised, though: my recent experience is that the USAF is the MOST "politically correct" of the services. Finding someone willing to help might not be all that easy.
The last thing we need to do at this point is to make a provably false assertion on this issue. The MSM beast is wounded, but still dangerous. |
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cipher
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Interested --
Good catch. Now to FIND that document.... (AFM 35-13)
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