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Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

Hey everyone, here's a thought.

We have been dissecting these documents based on the pdf files. Does CBS have the actual documents? If so it would be a simple matter for document experts to examine the original documents and determine their authenticity.

Things like age and composition of the paper, impressions in the paper by the typewriter, chemical composition of the ink, authenticity of the signatures, and all of the issues discussed here can and will be used.

So does CBS have the originals? If they do not it could explain their stonewalling. If they don't who does? We need to raise a thunderous call across the nation. First it was SIGN the FORM 180!, to that we can now add:

CBS - RELEASE THE ORIGINAL MEMOS NOW!
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noc · PO1 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA

This may be the machine they will say produced the documents:

http://www.ibmcomposer.org/docs/Selectric%20Composer%20Operations%20Manual.pdf

The Selectric Composer was release in 1966 and is more of a typesetting machine in terms of trying to create the documents in question.

It has the ability to center, change font sizes, and has proportional spacing.

The whole manual is created with the composer and the Press Roman font looks similiar.

Can any of you help me look at this and see if we can rule out that it was used?

kuwan · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:39 pm Post subject: It's the cover-up!

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up

I'm really surprised at Rather's response, insisting that the documents are real. I would have thought that the fear of a ruined reputation and lost credibility would at least have forced him to wait until the documents can be further examined. But no, instead the moron comes out and and further insists that they are authentic.

This really shows his true colors. ANY respectable news man would at least wait until the documents can be further researched, both their source and authenticity, by other outside experts. Instead he blindly assures to us that they are real shows his true liberal bias for what it is.

If/when these are proven to be forgeries, Rather will go down in flames. There's no stopping it now. When presented with credible evidence that the documents are fake he didn't take an objective step back, he blindly accepted what he wanted to be the truth, ignoring the mounting evidence.
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azpatriot · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject:

Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

We are talking short notes and quick memos. They would not have bothered to proportionally space or do superscripts in a different type size on a machine like this due to the long tedious task setting it up to do it. Assuming, of course, that the TANG even possesed these machines in Bush's wing.
There is a simple way to clear this up:

CBS - RELEASE THE ORIGINAL MEMOS NOW!
_________________
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilence" - Thomas Jefferson
"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson

napnip · Ensign Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 63

mr_mechanical · Lt.Jg. Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 121 Location: Virginia

Hondo · LCDR Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Location: USA

Damn - azpatriot beat me to it! I came up with the same conclusion he did. I gave the doc a quick scan and can find nothing that indicates the Composer would do superscripting.

The use of such a machine by a poor typist to "whip up a quick MFR" also simply doesn't pass the common-sense test. Anyone who either didn't type or typed poorly would have never sat down and used something like this; they'd have used a simpler machine or had their secretary type it. Killian reputedly either didn't type or typed poorly. Had he typed it, he'd never have used the Composer (assuming one was available - which I doubt).

If he had his secretary type it, I will guarantee it wouldn't have had as many format errors (missing spaces/extra spaces, inconsistent superscripting, nonmilitary word choice, etc . . . .). Most secretaries of that era took pride in the documents they produced - especially if they were the Commander's Secretary! Ditto for HQ clerk/admin types.

Would be great if we could find some of the clerk/admin types in that squadron from the early 1970s - or the hand receipt folks. They should be able to tell us definitively if that squadron had a Composer or not.

noc · PO1 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA

I know that the composer did not have the direct ability to superscript, but you could always roll down the roller platen, change the size, type the "th", roll back up, change the size back and continue. I would agree that there is no way this would have been done in 1972. What I am refering to is whether it would have been possible to use it to create the forgery.

Anyone have an opinion on the font style match?

What I am trying to prepare for is if they release the documents and it shows an impact style on paper that looks original.

mr_mechanical · Lt.Jg. Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 121 Location: Virginia

Absolut · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 22

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