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TANG Memo on Bush
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You GottaBeKidding
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sonar5:

The coldfeet person may have invested some time cleaning up the docs, while USA Today may have just posted them as is.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:53 am    Post subject: IBM Selectric Composer Reply with quote

My brother was a salesman for IBM's Typewriter Division in the early 70's. The Selectric Composer was so over the top expensive his gambit was to go to a company and tell them to tell their boss an IBM rep was there to "sell him a $20,000 typewriter". This usually brought the boss out of his office to see how a typewriter could be as expensive as three Cadillacs.

The Selectric Composer could not be cost justified as a complex typewriter, it had to be justified by displacing type setting expenses. I doubt that the TANG ever bought one, but IBM would have a record of the sale and the IBM Service Contract.

Any IBM Typewriter Division Reps or Field Engineers out there?
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You GottaBeKidding
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firefox,

My screen matches your screen shot. There are actually more than 10 widths if you do punctuation marks. I'm not curious enough to see just how many more widths, but the @ is much wider than any of the letters.

Anyway, there are more than 10 and that's different from 4 or 7.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This just keeps getting better and better....

ABC news is reporting that Hodges feels he was "duped" by CBS....read the bit here....

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/NotedNow/Noted_Now.html

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcel Matley, CBS' Forensic Guy

http://www.forensic.org/experts/matley.html
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kylie,

Thanks for that link. I'm going to post the text here. This is DYN-O-MITE!

Now one of their sources is saying it ain't so. Dan Rather's goose is SO cooked.

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HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS: Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a "fraud".
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OUCH!! That is going to leave a mark!!
Time for CBS to come forth and admit they have been duped and to render a formal on air apology to president Bush and the Killian Family!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBS's expert document examiner was Marcel Matley. This person can be contacted at:
Marcel Matley
A and M Matley
PO Box 882401
San Francisco, CA 94188-2401
Bus (415) 753-2832
Bus (800) 367-8403
Fax (415) 753-3346
mmatley@aol.com
info@forensic.org

I think that a letter should be written to this person demanding a written evaluation. This person is an expert (so it says) in handwriting analysis but I question this person's ability with typewriting until further notice.
What say you?

This information needs to be cross-blogged with Powerline.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Mr. Matley is going to need some time to answer his email this weekend.

I have the feeling that he doesn't exactly have a degree in computer science either.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My letter to Marcel Matley

Dear Sir,

I am afraid that Mr. Dan Rather CBS has left the world with the impression that you have authenticated some documents to be genuine.. While they claim you were consulted on the authenticity of the Bush Texas Air National Guard Documents (4 pages to be exact) I am incredulous that someone with your credentials would agree that the type style or even the signatures are authentic. I have studied the documents and I do not agree that the signature is that of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian nor does his wife. Further, any person with a few years of practice using old IBM typewriters graduating to the modern day computers knows full well that the characters of the typed words as well as the proportional spacing on those documents could not have been executed on a run-of-the-mill typewriter in 1972. Lt. Col. Killian's wife has even stated that her late husband did not even know how to type and that he usually left scraps of handwritten notes. Dozens of document examiners from across the country disagree with the claims that CBS is making on your behalf that the documents are genuine. I suggest that for the sake of your reputation you set about issuing a public statement on any other network disavowing the notion that Dan Rather left in the minds of viewers this evening that the documents are, in fact, what they are claimed to be.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW - This keeps gettin' better and better. There was a journalistic fraud expert on Scarborough tonight and he said what Dan Blather did tonight was the journalistic equivalency of saying "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky." Priceless. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Powerline blog Marcel Matley is not a print expert. He is supposedly a handwriting expert. I' m not sure CBS published his answer correctly. He needs to respond and the only thing will be hundreds of letters demanding that he rethink what Dan Rather said he said.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this sound familiar?

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In 1992, Bill Clinton's presidential campaign was nearly ended when tapes between the Arkansas governor and cabaret singer Gennifer Flowers were released. At the time, KCBS, the network's owned-and-operated affiliate in Los Angeles, took the tape and submitted it to private detective and forensic tape expert Anthony Pellicano for analysis. Mr. Pellicano's conclusions that the tapes were "misleading" and "not credible" played a role in Mr. Clinton surviving the controversy.

Only later was it learned that Mr. Pellicano had no formal training in evaluating tapes and was at the time being paid by Democratic sources to squelch "bimbo eruptions" surrounding Mr. Clinton. In other words, Mr. Clinton's own private eye was able to discredit one of the most damaging eruptions that preceded Monica Lewinsky. In his own memoirs published this year, Mr. Clinton confessed to the Flowers affair, contradicting his fierce denials at the time.



http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005602
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You GottaBeKidding
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm rewatching a Fox show and one piece of evidence that the memos are fakes is that the letter on 19 May ordering Bush to take his flight physical was bogus. Bush had a three-month window in which to take his physical, with the last day being his birthday (sometime in July). Wish I'd been paying more attention because I'm not seeing anything in the memo that indicates that there's a problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You GottaBeKidding wrote:
I'm rewatching a Fox show and one piece of evidence that the memos are fakes is that the letter on 19 May ordering Bush to take his flight physical was bogus. Bush had a three-month window in which to take his physical, with the last day being his birthday (sometime in July). Wish I'd been paying more attention because I'm not seeing anything in the memo that indicates that there's a problem.


YGBK - Pilots were required to have an annual physical - the deadline for which was the last day of his birth month - in this case - 31 July - which works out with the suspension date of 1 Aug - but DOES NOT make sense with the 4 May memo that "orders" him to have the phyiscal by 14 May...it all smells if you ask me...

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