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Sonar5
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Beatrice1000
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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:25 am Post subject: Re: *Why Does Kerry stomp on our Flag (Pic) |
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| Sonar5 wrote: | | this is the real kerry, one who would stomp on the flag every chance he got.. |
Is this normal? I mean, do other people walk on the flag while giving campaign speeches? I don't know what to say --- it's a potent pic. |
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djdedeo0
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| I don't wanna tick anyone off but, I don't think this was an intentinal thing he was doing. I think we could be stooping to his level by posting this stuff. We should stick to the issues. I agree thats a stupid idea to have a carpet with an American Flag but I doubt it was put there for Kerry to step on to spite the flag. |
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| djdedeo0 wrote: | | I don't think this was an intentinal thing he was doing. |
No, I don't think it was intentional either -- but with everyone so focussed on IMAGE, it just seems like a strange "picture" to make -- I don't know if it's carpet or painted right on the floor. If it was added, then it was a bad "decoration" idea -- In the case of traitor Kerry, seeing an image of him "walking on the flag" does have a meaning for me. |
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ThaLeena
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Come on now, EVERYBODY knows Kerry has no respect for the flag. Have you seen the cover of The New Soldier??? |
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Sonar5
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:01 am Post subject: Flag Info |
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| djdedeo0 wrote: | | I don't wanna tick anyone off but, I don't think this was an intentinal thing he was doing. I think we could be stooping to his level by posting this stuff. We should stick to the issues. I agree thats a stupid idea to have a carpet with an American Flag but I doubt it was put there for Kerry to step on to spite the flag. |
Ummmm. It is intentional, in my opinion...
His latest Mantra, affordable healthcare is on a banner hanging on the wall, and that is the wording on the floor...
"Affordable healthcare... A Stronger America"
It was put there by his people who planned this event...
How is this stooping?
Kerry is clearly seen walking on the flag... And I'm sorry if you feel posting about Flag Desecration is stooping, or that Flag Desecration is not an Issue...
And YES, I support My American Legion for a Flag Amendment.
Furthermore,
From:
http://www.legion.org/?section=our_flag&subsection=flag_code&content=flag_position
| Quote: | | e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs. |
From:
http://www.legion.org/pdf/flagcode.pdf
| Quote: | § 6. Time and occasions for display
(a) It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset
on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic
effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated
during the hours of darkness. |
And note (b):
| Quote: | § 8. Respect for flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the
flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags,
and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a
signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the
floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and
free. |
It goes to character & integrity, and that picture shows kerry has NEITHER.
And More:
| Quote: | (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner
whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or
handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or
boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising
signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. |
And this is an ISSUE according to MY AMERICAN LEGION, of which I am a PROUD Member....
In the last Issue, they asked each Candidate:
From:
http://www.impact04.legion.org/vote.php
8 ) Do you support a Constitutional Amendment to return to the Congress the right to protect the American flag?
| Quote: | President George W. Bush
Desecration of our flag is an insult to the Americans who have fought and died to ensure that our Nation remains a home for liberty. That is why I steadfastly support a constitutional amendment to authorize the Congress to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.
For more than 200 years, the American flag has served as a symbol of our country's enduring freedom and unity. Old Glory has welcomed generations of immigrants to America's shores and is displayed proudly on homes, at schools, and over businesses across our country. During times of war, our flag has rallied our citizens to defend the blessings of liberty at home and abroad. It has accompanied our troops into battle and been given to grieving families at the grave sites of fallen heroes. Today, as our brave men and women in uniform fight terrorism and advance freedom, the flag inspires patriotism and pride across our Nation and around the world. |
| Quote: | Senator John Kerry
I believe that amending the Constitution is a grave and serious matter, and should only be pursued regarding issues that touch upon the essential nature of us as a free people. We are a nation founded on dissent, on the right of all of us to support, or protest, the actions of our government, or to speak to the issues of the day. Sometimes, what is said, or what is done as a form of expression, is abhorrent to me and to many others. Burning our flag is an act that I personally cannot understand nor condone. This is the flag I fought under, and too many died under. But I took an oath when I entered the Navy and when I was elected to the Senate to support the Constitution. Our country is defined by the rights we protect, and we who have put our lives on the line also fought to defend the right of people to do things that we disagree with, however abhorrent we may find their actions. |
NOTE how Kerry dodges the question, but never really asays no, but it is obvious to me how he feels.... The above Picture PROVES IT...
In closing, it is not up to you to decide what is an issue to me or others...
For me, THIS IS AN ISSUE... And I suspect it may interest others as well. People died and are dying today to protect those colors, and I think for them, it may be an issue as well.
Joe
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Chuck Z Ombie AC2000
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Its intentional but not by Kerry , unless he is the one who set the podium up there. I blame the person who put the image of Old Glory on a rug.
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ThaLeena
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| You go Marine!!!! Now I'm getting pissed off too. |
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Sonar5
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Chuck Z Ombie AC2000 wrote: | | Its intentional but not by Kerry , unless he is the one who set the podium up there. I blame the person who put the image of Old Glory on a rug. |
Chuck, where have you been, that is his platform the last few days... helathcare, and the same slogans...
Chuck did you even bother to read the Flag Display Links or Quotes I posted????
It's his campaign...
So in your eyes kerry is not responsible for anything in his own campaign.....
Now that is a funny view if you believe that one...
I would never walk on that, would You????
I would demand that it be removed, immediately, then I would fire the MORON who put it there...
But hey it's Kerry right, so just give him a flyer, right???
You make some interesting posts here Chuck Z.... 
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Flag Info |
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| Sonar5 wrote: | | ...It is intentional, in my opinion... |
Sonar5: Thanks for all the info, helped me think thru this. I didn't look at the picture as closely as you did and yes, it is definitely part of his "campaign decoration" for the event. At a glance, I thought, maybe the flag was on the stage where he was talking and he had no control over it -- but it is obviously part of his "set." So to his staff, and with his approval or he would not be walking on it, the flag was used as "decoration." (I also had a vague recall that I've seen this setup before when watching Kerry on C-Span and thinking, oh my gosh -- is he walking on the flag??? But it was a brief moment and I wasn't sure what I had seen.)
Good quotes too from Kerry & Bush -- you made great points there and now I'm getting more mad than I was! You know, it isn't easy & natural for me to think about calling someone a traitor much less to say it ---but with John Kerry, it is the truth and is very, very easy to say the word. Traitor, fraud, criminal -- the man deserves everything coming to him, including your analysis of the symbolic meaning, irregularity and obvious lack of respect shown by Kerry while he tramped back and forth on our flag! |
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Chuck Z Ombie AC2000
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I looked at those links and i agree Kerry doesnt respect our flag i couldnt figure out if he was stepping on the flag becuase his design people made a mistake or if he wants to walk over it as a political statement.Kerry's campaign is so incompetant i can easily see their people un intentionally making a patriotic floor graphic without realizing Kerry will be walking over it during his spew session.
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Sonar5
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| Chuck Z Ombie AC2000 wrote: | | I looked at those links and i agree Kerry doesnt respect our flag i couldnt figure out if he was stepping on the flag becuase his design people made a mistake or if he wants to walk over it as a political statement.Kerry's campaign is so incompetant i can easily see their people un intentionally making a patriotic floor graphic without realizing Kerry will be walking over it during his spew session. |
Thank You...
It goes to Character, IMHO...
That would be an interesting Question to ask Kerry, but he hasn't answered Press questions in OVER A MONTH....
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Beatrice1000
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| Sonar5 wrote: | | Found two More: And the Hits Just Keep on coming.... |
GEEZ !!! different dates -- "hey boys, hurry up, get out my favorite rug, y'know, the one with all those colors, with that flag on it..." |
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Sonar5
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:27 pm Post subject: Drudge ran this when it was president Bush... |
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Drudge ran this when it was President Bush...
http://www.drudgereport.com/gbflag.htm
I sent this to him, but it appears he is not interested...
Interestingly enough, The President can do what he did, even though I also disagree with what he did by signing it..
Kerry Cannot however......
From:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/10.html
Sec. 10. - Modification of rules and customs by President
Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation
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