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[ondryland]

Has anyone had an opportunity to check out the P.O. Box 34567 number?

I believe this was mentioned on another thread and I agree it looks a bit strange to me. Maybe this whole thing was a sting.

On the bright side - Everytime they discuss President Bush's National Guard Service on television, we see photo's of a very handsome young man, in his flight suit, in the cockpit of an aircraft, getting his lieutenant bars pinned on and an official photo in his uniform.

All looking very good.

ondryland

Thanks to all of you for all you have done

[cipher]

First of all, a PO box wouldn't have been used as an address. A *physical* address would have been used. And the POB may be valid, but that doesn't MEAN anything, even if it was.

The use of periods in 111 F.I.S. is wrong. It would be 111 FIS or 111th FS, or abbreviated, but not the way it is. The date format is all wrong. For one thing NO one used four digit years back then. 14 MAY 72 would be proper. the month is ALL CAPS and no comma. I could go on, but others have already thread this ground better than I can.
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[Prchrmn2]

Hey all,

First I'dlike to thank skypilot for beating me to posting the AP article he did at 2:19am SUN SEP 12 24 by the way this is the link and can someone write these guys and ask them how they can credible refer todocuments that are apocrypha??!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_us/bush_guard_reax&cid=519&ncid=716

I am a 20 year Navy veteran and thanks to Ltjg Batey I finally looked at the big picture so here is my take of where we are at.

1. It must be stressed with every contact (media, friends, etc) that:
a. these are NOT "official Tang Documents
b. these are the personnal documents of a dead man
c. Neither are they W's official documents
d. CBS gave them to the administration!!!!

The following items need to be pursued aggressively (divide and conquer) in the military we assign details to small groups and then the entire project gets complete..each group has a leader that works a a particular segemnt of the problem (quest in this case). This blog can always be refrred to along the way to see if other groups need to be manned up.

2. Do these Memo's go back to the kerry campaign, if not how cloase do they come?

3.All documents and links need to be cached...hackers are pretty good and I'm too old to try and stop them.

4. Continue to call for the original documents.

Also CBS has posted "trancsripts of the memo's in an effort to deflect and hide...this way you can't see the "th" that everyone is talking about. By the way for all the people who posted about the "Selectric" being able to superscript the "th" WHY DOES IT APPEAR ONLY ONCE ON ONE MEMO AND ON THE SAME MEMO IT IS NOT SUPERSCRIPTED....WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD CHANGE BALLS, OR SOME OTHER METHOD OF PRODUCING IT ...JUST FOR ONE INSTANCE...NO...this is a mistake by a person using MS WORD!!!!!

5. CBS says the larger issue are their unanswered questions about Bushes recrd (Which it now appears they will "answer for themselves" (hey that was punny)NO..THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS FORGERIES OF SLANDEROUS DCOUMENTS (USING A DEAD MANS CHARACTER) THAT SEEK VOTER TAMPERING AND ACHIVE ELECTION FRAUD!!!!! At least that is the issue for anyone seeking the TRUTH and not one who is SLAVE to a diabolical agenda (anybody but Bush). Sorry had to get it out

PS I wopnder if after all this is opened up whether it could be shown that Marcel Malley's ineptitude kept the populace from finding out more about Vince Foster?
Also, at least in the modern military..it is illegal to keep notes or memos on an individual which can be constued as being of a derogatory nature. I entered in 82 and retired 02 so someone from further back will have to comment.


(fixed your "20" years for you - EJ)
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[Prchrmn2]

Thank you for correcting my statement. Too easily do I err in not remaining focused on FORGERIES purported...I will also correct my 2 years to the 20 they are.
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[MJB]

Great comment on another blog I was just reading (italics are mine) -

http://www.janegalt.net/blog/archives/004892.html

Re fake documents -- as one of the world's top notorious 'UFO debunkers', I've seen decades of faked 'Top Secret Gummint UFO Files' leaked out to the world, for various obscure reasons -- fun, profit, ego, malice, misguided gambit to tease 'real' documents loose, whatever. Few were ever traced to their originators, but all were readily exposed as hoaxes -- some clumsy, some clever.

See www.debunker.com, www.csicop.org, www.jamesoberg.com (the 'space folklore' section), and Tim Printy's home page (do 'google' -- can't access URL) for examples.

The Killian ersatz-memos fail the 'chain of custody' test as well as 'only originals can be authenticated' test, and since we have no provable theory where they came from, they're useless to support a hypothesis.

OTHER such fakes, however, might show up if a clever hoaxer pulls some UFO-type hoaxes and (as UFO promoters have done) visit the National Archives to inspect boxes of original documents, and then DEPOSIT pre-created false documents INTO the folders, and leave them there for a LATER investigator to find.
The ersatz-document won't be on the folder's inventory list, but it can then be touted as 'coming from official gummint archives' anyway.
So be prepared -- creative forgers have made good livings for all of human history, and the stakes are higher than usual this year.

Jim O
Houston, Texas
www.jamesoberg.com

[cipher]

Thanks for your 20. Lemme guess. A senior chief, right?

I was done after almost 11 in uniform. I got bummed out during the Carter Admin, no parts, no support, lousy retention, etc., etc.

Besides, the Navy was willing to pay me four times what I was making in the Army as an SSG over 10 to design new weapons. How could I say "No"?
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[Chuck Z Ombie AC2000]

Whats funny is that not even the MSM is carrying 60 minutes water for them. This is going to nosedive and perhaps the only thing that will delay it will be Hurricane Ivan
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[grandforker]

Below is a comment posted in the discussion below the blog posted here at Asymmetrical Information. I don't think that I'd want to challenge Bruce F. Webster's professional opinion in court.

[Skypilot]

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Dan Rather foresaw his future?

Pittsburgh Post Gazette
The Networks
Sunday, December 17, 2000

Election Night was a journalistic disaster for the major television networks. The anchors first awarded Florida to Gore and then to Bush, calling him president-elect, and then took it back, saying Florida was too close to call. Summing up, one TV critic compared the anchors to "lemmings cascading over the cliffs together."

While the experience was humbling for the anchors, the roller-coaster night made great television and resulted in a huge ratings spike for the networks.


Best Election Night anchor quote: Tom Brokaw, who observed, "We don't just have egg on our face. We have omelet all over our suits."

Most colorful expressions -- by far: Dan Rather, who called the race "jar lid tight" and "hot enough to peel house paint." He also stated: "To err is human, but to really foul up requires a computer."

Most apologetic: Judy Woodruff, who said, "We've been saying all night that we didn't know what was going to happen, and we've proved it. Could you pass the crow?"

Most stable anchor in the storm: Peter Jennings, who remained composed in the face of election chaos and a small fire sparked by a studio light.

Best prop: The erasable grease board and marker used by NBC talking head Tim Russert to vividly illustrate the ups and downs of Election Night 2000.

King of the Hill: Jim Lehrer of public television staged a coup by moderating all the presidential debates. He was praised for his even-handed questioning, but drew some criticism for handling Gore and Bush too gently.

http://www.post-gazette.com/election/20001217pznetworks.asp

How ironic?


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[cipher]

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than to print any one of those documents on ANY machine available in 1972. Period.

This fan-dance by CBS would require MORE contortions than Ms. Woods explanation of the erasure of the 17 minutes of missing tape during the Nixon administration.

Which, as I recall, Dan Rather didn't buy into. However, he may have learned something about the art of contorted and tortured explanations that simply do not pass the smell test.
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