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[Me#1You#10]

And THIS from a "pundit" using an nd.edu e-mail? Please see our associated post at the top of the forum inre this MSM canard.

[vietnamvet173]

Me#1You#10

[neverforget]

Well, Notre Dame did beat Michigan yesterday. But I imagine this professor would find it to be just another military-like activity, and not sensitive enough.
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[mj_brutus]

LOL! This egghead's "evidence" that the Bush campaign coordinated witht he SBVT was simply that the Vets timed their capmaign prior to the RNC and that they ahd an impact! IOW, it worked well, therefore it had to be an RNC plot.

The paranoia of the lefties never fails to amaze me.

[vietnamvet173]

[mj_brutus]

vietnamvet173:

That was a beautiful letter. While it was undoubtedly wasted on the likes of Mr. O'Rourke who will never understand the meaning, let alone the value of a man's honor, I am glad that you posted here. Here where it will also be read by those like yourself who possess honor in the fullest measure and have suffered most cruelly from men like Kerry, who don't.

[scotty61]

vietnamvet176,

Do us a favor and post his reply, if any. If he chooses not to respond let us know that as well. Great letter!

[baldeagl]

OK, let me see if I can understand this. O'Rourke is upset because Kerry is losing. And the reason Kerry is losing is because:
1) The swiftvets had good timing
2) Bill Clinton is no longer available to prop Kerry up
3) Kerry hasn't "effectively challenged" the charges
4) Kerry goes windsurfing off Nantucket instead of campaigning hard
5) Kerry won't self-sacrifice in order to win
6) Kerry takes too many vacations

And Karl Rove is behind it all. Bush's Svengali has pulled off the impossible! He's even got the opposing candidate to behave like a spoiled rich kid! All hail the mighty Rove.

You can't make this stuff up, folks. It takes a serious college education to achieve this level of erudition.
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[BC]

You need to remember, think about how frustrated we are that this creep kerry is even in the position that The Swift Vets have to do this. How frustrated we are how the liberal press is just falling all over kerry. Now think how frustrated they are that they have chosen an idiot to run against Bush. To have any way of getting their idiot elected they have to lie cheat lie cheat lie cheat lie……….
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[drjohn]

"It does take a willing suspension of disbelief to conclude there was no coordination between Karl Rove and his old Texas buddies bankrolling the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth."

It seems to me that all these twits are graduates of the Michael Moore school of journalistic slander. This again is nothing but innuendo, that twilight existing just beyond the borders of reality.

Failing to provide evidence of accusation has become the province of the Democratic smear machine.

[vietnamvet173]

[Bernard Cullen]

On reflection, Prof. O'Rourke may not have time to read all the rebuttals he is likely to receive.

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Prof. O'Rourke:

With all due respect, the Swift Boat Veterans as a whole are not part of a smear campaign. It is fine to disagree with President Bush and to support John Kerry, however, to resort to gross calumnies and unsubstantiated charges parallels exactly the behavior that is coming back to haunt Mr. Kerry. I trust you teach your students to construct an argument by looking carefully and objectively at both sides of an issue, the more so when that issue is one about which they have strong personal feelings. (A lesson Mr. Rather is now learning.)

Many, many Vietnam Vets see John Kerry not as a man driven by principles, but as an amoral, manipulative opportunist, who sought to advance his own career on the reputation of his former comrades-in-arms. Mr. Kerry has brought their animus largely on himself, with his astoundingly brazen rewriting of his own and for the Swift Boat Veterans their past. (Note how his public "band of brothers" never, ever has publicly included those who he led within the VVAW!)

If you read Doug Brinkley's Tour of Duty and John O'Neill's Unfit for Command you will get an amazingly clear picture of a talented but exceedingly ambitious and psychologically flawed John Kerry. You will find that his behavior during and after Vietnam and throughout his political career (see Kranish's book) fits that of a narcissist*. This is the behavior the 254 Swift Boat Vets picked up on and found so distasteful 35 years ago.

Please put yourself in the shoes of the 2 million plus veterans whom Mr. Kerry charged with having engaged in grotesque war crimes. Yes, those days were incredibly emotionally charged but Mr. Kerry knew precisely what he was doing: He was using his gifts to perpetrate a huge and totally unnecessary lie. The dislike and disdain that many feel for what John Kerry did is real: It is not political partisanship - it is pure loathing that one feels for hypocrites of whatever persuasion.


It might well be that Republican operatives have in some ways enabled the Swift Boat Veterans program - that, however, does not detract one iota from the fundamental points that the Swift Boat Veterans have raised. As Mr. O'Neill appropriately pointed out, if Mr. Kerry had been running as a Republican the Swift Boat Veterans would have taken money from George Soros! The charges leveled at Mr. Kerry are in large part matters of public record. Other charges require the piecing together of memories and records from 35 years before. Unpleasant as some of those charges are, the reality is that it is not the Swift Boat Veterans who have backtracked on the source of the wound for the first Purple Heart or the "seared in my mind" Christmas Eve in Cambodia, it is Mr. Kerry's office that has tap danced and revised their stories. Facts are stubborn things, as John Adams noted and as John Kerry is learning. Have you thought about why Mr. Kerry steadfastly declines to sign Form 180, while his surrogates call on Mr. Bush to release all his records. Facts are not only stubborn, they tend to be hugely inconvenient.

Given your political perspective as reflected in your recent book reviews, I doubt very much that you will change your mind. I trust, however, that it will help to ensure that your next editorial more fully and fairly considers the opposite viewpoint.

Respectfully,

Bernard J Cullen

*This personality trait was pointed out by a SwiftBoatVet contributor.

From:
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html

Diagnostic Criteria

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements ( no visible significant achievement after 20 years in the Senate - yet wants to be President. Apparently worked as a prosecutor for all of 3 years before seeking the Lt. Governorship.)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love (- Publicly stated his ambitions to be President to navy colleagues and peers at St Paul's 40 years earlier - see Brinkley)
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) (The elevator in his Boston Office was modified to allow him to avoid interactions with all other tenants in a 11 Floor office building.)
4. requires excessive admiration - he was nicknamed "Live shot" by his colleagues in the Senate, a group not known for its avoidance of the Press
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations - Runs for Congress as 27 year old with no accomplishments
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends - Marriages to not one but two heiresses; Married rich older woman after dating younger starlets!
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others - Has never acknowledged that his statements to the Senate were gross libels and mischaracterizations of the overwhelming majority of those who served in Vietnam
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows [b]arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes [/b]- You have to wonder at the wind-surfing. His behavior towards staff members is legendary in Boston, captured in the expression "Do you know who I am?".

* Emphasis and red editorial comments added

[Nomorelies]

Bernard Collen,

Boy howdy. You said a mouthful and I thorougly ravished every last little word in it. Imagine, Kerry a narcissist? Who'd a thunk it. Lordy did you nail his high and mighty a**.

I sure wish you would find a way to forward your letter to Zell Miller. He'd really enjoy hearing from you and I'm sure he would agree since he, like the rest of us, was not so "high-born".
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[army72]

Bernard, you've captured many people's feeling along with providing incite to someone you know will totally ignore any and all arguments contrary to his own. That would undermine the power trip he plays on his students and his own self-importance would be questioned. He is not use to having his opinions questioned. They are given out to his students as absolute truths.

Still, it is composed very nicely and I am very happy you responded. You should send a similar letter to Bill O'Reilly. Maybe he'll finally find out that the erosion in his show's numbers is due to his attacks on the very people that make this country great. They used to be the ones that supported him.

[Dimsdale]