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[Doc Farmer]

Sorry that I couldn't include this in the main discussion on the CBS Document Forgery, but the system is giving me hell trying to post in there (I keep getting HTML hash served up).

I wrote an article in ChronWatch regarding the CBS Document forgery (LINK) and one point I made was that the PO Box number on the heading of the memo seemed a bit odd. 34567? A five digit sequential number? Well, somebody researched this (I'm withholding the name until I get their permission to post it) and here's what they had to say...

[rsrobinson]

I don't know who's dumber: the forger who thought he could get away with creating 1973 memos using MS Word defaults and laughably phony P.O. box numbers, or Dan Rather and the fact-checking monkeys at CBS News who swallowed this stuff whole.

[hammondb3]

Parastou Magazine
P.O. BOX 376
Frisco, TX 77034
(972) 233-xxxx

Found this one right away with Google. It's a low number and that alonew makes me suspicious of a 5 digit PO box existing 30 years ago when 3 digit numbers work in 2004.
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[jataylor11]

[You GottaBeKidding]

People,

The PO Box is no-go. It appears on some of Bush's official documents. Anyone who's bothered to look at the real documents knows that.

[air_vet]

34567 probably wasn't a ZIP code - it may just have been the Unit PO box in the base administrative building.

[Interested]

the address with the PO box appears on the bottom left of this form from Bush's record

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc7.gif

It seemed too wierd to me at first also, but it's a non-starter as YGTBK states

[cipher]

The ONLY significance to the PO Box number is that it was used AT ALL, regardless of whether or not it is a valid number. The proper address would have been the UNIT ID.

It's like wearing ribbons on utilities. Just because you CAN do it, doesn't make it correct. Or acceptable by military standards. And is contrary to regulations.
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[rb325th]

People concentrate on the real discrepancies of the forgeries. The PO Box is legitimate, it is confirmed as being the Units and is on Official Documents in the Presidents File. As has been stated here already, it is a Non-Issue.
Focus on the bogus signatures, the use of type that was either not available or at the very least unfeasable for LTC. Killian to have used.
So many experts have come forward and hit on these facts already, it is what should be focused on. Clouding the facts is not helpful, it may even be counterproductive. "Look they say the PO Box is wrong, but see here and here and here, in all these other documents, the same PO Box!! There it is, they must be wrong about everything else!"
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[cipher]

There are SIX aspects to debunking the forgeries.

1) The mechanicals. This includes the paper, the font, the spacing, the character set, and layout. All of this is totally consistent with being producted by Word on a PC.

2) The signatures. The handwritten parts of the memos, to include initials and notations.

3) The format. This includes the style elements of the memo, the way it is rendered on the paper.

4) The content. This includes the events, personalities, and places referenced in the document.

5) The references. This includes any military documents called out as being the cognizant authority for the actions specified.

6) The timeline. This includes any references to actions in time, to include anachronisms or errors in dates (not the format of the dates, but the dates themselves).

So far, a lot has been made of the mechanicals. That is sufficient cause and justification to examine (and debunk) the rest. The first part has proven to be fairly easy (although, it is far more difficult to convince people who should KNOW better that it IS a mechanical impossiblity).

The rest is going to take some time and effort. And there is no sense in spinning our wheels on known-valid references such as the PO Box number. Now, the fact that a PO Box number was used on an MOR is a valid point for contest, simply because an MOR wouldn't be mailed, so there is no reason to have a mailing address on it. Unit address, yes. Mailing address, no.
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US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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[1stgpsf]

You have it right on that PO Box. I did same search. Also, the address for Bush's apartment also has the wrong ZIP. Other small errors such as two of the documents were initiated on a Saturday or Sunday. One has an execution date for GWB to get a physical in ten days which ends on a Sunday. Other small things.
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[lrb111]

[You GottaBeKidding]

Zip codes have changed in 30 years. The address is correct and matches addresses on known-legitimate paperwork. Give it a rest already!

The National Guard works on weekends, for crying out loud! Please do some reading of the bazillion posts here and elsewhere before posting this. It's not likely that there's anything new to uncover at this point.

[air_vet]

I should have checked the ZIP for the base earlier - it's 77034.

I have a personal five digit PO Box - the first two digits are the last two digits of the ZIP code for the post office where it is located and the last three digits are the box number .

SO... notice the first two digits of the listed PO Box number 34567 are *34* - the last two digits of the base ZIP.

Let's all move on.