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larrygj Seaman
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 166 Location: Newcastle, Washington
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject: Zell zings Kerry again as unfit for command |
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As only he can do it, from http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005614:
Quote: | Telling It Like It Is
I will never trust John Kerry with my family's safety.
BY ZELL MILLER
Monday, September 13, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
My critics in the national media are working overtime trying to paint me as an angry nut who got the facts all wrong in my speech to the Republican National Convention. Since there's not enough time to challenge all of these critics to a duel, let me set the record straight here and now.
First, the anger. A lot has been said about my angry demeanor. I've made enough speeches to know that you're supposed to connect with the audience by telling a joke or a humorous anecdote or some amusing tale. It's a tried-and-true formula that I've used for most of my life. But this was not a normal speech in a normal time.
Today, we are at the most serious moment of history that we may ever know, and I wanted to connect with the seriousness of this moment, not the audience.
Now, about those facts. I charged that John Kerry is weak on national security, and I listed some of the many weapons systems he has opposed over the years. My critics tripped over themselves to point out that Dick Cheney opposed some of the same weapons systems when he was defense secretary.
But, like with so many things in life, timing is everything. Mr. Kerry was proposing the cancellation of many of these weapons systems at the height of the Cold War--the worst possible time to weaken our military strength. It would be comparable to a senator in 1943 proposing to scrap the B-29 Bomber or Sherman tank or Higgins landing craft. By contrast, Mr. Cheney waited until after we had won the Cold War to propose modernizing our forces and replacing older weapons systems. There's a huge difference. Whether it's the Cold War of yesterday or the war on terror today, Mr. Kerry has sought time and time again to weaken our military at the exact moment we need to show our strength.
I also charged that John Kerry and his fellow Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator, and that nothing makes this old Marine madder. My critics pounced on that one, too. Aren't you aware, they sneered, that President Bush has used the term "occupiers"?
Do they mean when the president said this in April?--"As a proud and independent people, Iraqis do not support an indefinite occupation--and neither does America. We're not an imperial power, as nations such as Japan and Germany can attest. We are a liberating power." Are the people of Iraq not liberated from a terrible dictator? Did we not transfer sovereignty over to the Iraqi people exactly when we said we would?
John Kerry and his crowd derisively call American troops "occupiers" because it fits with their warped belief that America is the problem, not the solution. While more than 50 million people in Afghanistan and Iraq are enjoying freedom, Mr. Kerry is still fretting over whether the U.N. crowd likes us or not. The American people will not abide a commander in chief who gets squeamish over America's role as a liberating force in the world.
And my critics love to point out that I had nice things to say about John Kerry when I introduced him to a Georgia Democratic dinner in 2001. That's true and I meant it. But, again, timing is everything. I made that introduction in March 2001--six months before terrorists attacked this country on Sept. 11. As I have said time and again, 9/11 changed everything. Everything, that is, except the national Democrats' shameful, manic obsession with bringing down a commander in chief. John Kerry has been wrong many times, but he's never been more wrong than in his failure to support our troops and our commander in chief in this war on terror.
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So, my critics can call me a psychopath and fire spitballs at me and froth at the mouth when an ex-president sends me a nasty letter. That's the freedom of speech they all enjoy, courtesy of the American soldier.
But for David Gergen and this newspaper's Al Hunt, among others, to call me a racist was especially hurtful. For they know better. They know I worked for three governors in a row, not just one: Carl Sanders, Lester Maddox and Jimmy Carter. They knew I was the first governor to try to remove the Confederate emblem from the Georgia flag. And by the way, when I called each of Georgia's former governors to tell them what I was about to attempt, Jimmy Carter's first question to me was, "What are you doing that for?" Mr. Gergen and Mr. Hunt also know I appointed the only African-American attorney general in the country in the 1990s and more African Americans to the state judiciary than all the other governors of Georgia combined, including that one from Plains.
So, they can call me names and ridicule my angry demeanor all day long. But facts are facts. And the fact is, John Kerry has a long record of proposals to weaken our national security in a time of war. And I would never put my family's safety in those hands.
Mr. Miller is a Democratic senator from Georgia. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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when we're all dead and buried, zell will go down in the books as one of the great ones. |
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RMalloy PO3
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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We could use a lot more men like Zell in Washington, DC. I'll never forget his speech at the Republican Convention. White hot! |
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Wing Wiper Rear Admiral
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 664 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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There's a patriot that rises above party affiliation and addresses the good of the country. We need to thank the Democrats for driving him out of the party with their socialist agenda. What an asset. |
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bpilch Seaman Recruit
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 15
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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A real statesman. It is times like these that the shining light of Zell, Guiliani, Schwartznegger, and even Ed Koch come through. Their message is so clear and true and hard to refute that the other side sinks into personal attacks. |
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NortonPete PO2
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 385
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I was awe struck by the senator's speech.
I thought I was listening to the voice of one of our founding fathers.
The otherside can't even recognise a statesman period. |
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larrygj Seaman
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 166 Location: Newcastle, Washington
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm glad Zell stayed a Democrat, and not just for the special credibility he gains by taking on his own party at a time when they nominate a traitorous empty suit like Kerry. Zell knew they'd start throwing the garbage at him as soon as he started telling the truth, but he just doesn't care. Zell has something Opportunity John never learned: loyalty to country. And he is loyal to some of the best of what used to be the Democratic Party: FDR, Truman, JFK and Scoop Jackson, from a time when bipartison support of the country in times of danger overrode personal ambition. If Kerry had not been nominated, we wouldn't be opening the old wounds from 35 years ago. If it weren't for his infinite ego, attention deficit disorder and obsession with his phony biography, we would be having the national dialogue over our future which we all deserve. Begging your pardon for the analogy, he is like the guy who comes to what would have been a great wedding and gets drunk and barfs all over the bride, then blames her for the lousy punch. He is worse than an embarrassment to Reagan Democrats. A new 527 should emerge: Democrats Disavowing Kerry.
Maybe after 2004 or 2006 or 2008, enough of the liberals in the Democratic Party will have been voted out of office so that conceivably only Zell remains. Plus maybe Evan Bayh and Ed Koch. From there the Dems could start over. If there's anybody left who cares.
I think we need the two-party system, or even a 3-party system, but right now one of them sure looks more like the Party of France, replete with Madame Theresa de Heinz de Pommade des Tomates, with her let-the-idiots-eat-cake pronouncements, rather than any recognizable Party of America.
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Montana Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 138 Location: Montana
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Great speech and a great letter from a great man.
Montana |
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Theresa Alwood Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I love Zell Miller and his love for this country. He is one democrat that does GET IT! Go Zell Go.
You just have to respect this man for what he is standing up for...all of us. Regardless of party affilation! What a man...you can tell this guy was a marine! He got brass umm...backbone..that's it _________________ Born to raise a little hell! |
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Wind Walker Seaman Recruit
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 33 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: |
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""My critics in the national media are working overtime trying to paint me as an angry nut who got the facts all wrong in my speech to the Republican National Convention.""
I don't think any of us were suprised when the media attacked Zel Miller as quick as they did, but I was however, amazed at something I watched the other night, about how they (media) obtained the questions to be ask of Zel Miller.
News Anchors use to be (or at least pretend to be) non-affilliated with the political parties, and were suppose to report the news, not make the news!
I watched the Discovery Channel last night about "The Conventions" (Republican & Democrat), and was amazed they even aired the part about the "War Room" covering the RNC, and searching the internet for ANY articles, to rebutt each speakers content.
When it came to Zel Miller's speech, they (War Room) were all over it (computers blazing), and as soon as they thought they had found something to contradict the voting record in which Zel Miller spelled out for the world (concerning Kerry's voting on defense), they (Discovery Channel Coverage) "aired" Terry Macualiff saying:
Whew, we got that information just in time, so we can get it off to Wolf Blitzer! They then aired the video (just a few seconds of it) showing Blitzer confronting Zel Miller about Cheney's defense voting record (in which Zel includes in the above post) on CNN!
Aren't the News anchors, reporters, or whatever suppose to at least hide their connections & bias anymore?
Please forgive my bad spelling & grammer. I've never been able to put 3 words together, and make them line up correctly.
Have a great day,
Wind Walker |
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NonLinear Seaman Recruit
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 19 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: Media bias will go unchecked |
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I read an analysis today that I am afraid may be all too correct. I can find it again if needed, but essentially the logic went like this:
The MSM has been somewhat to the left beginning not later than the 60's, perhaps some before, but timing is not the issue.
Over time, particularly since the mid-late 60's, it took a rather harder turn to the left (sorry, no pun intended).
With the advent of cable and sources such as FoxNews, the conservatives migrated towards the less biased sources.
With the further maturing of the internet-based information sharing / reporting, MANY more conservatives left ABCNBCCBS.
The remaining base viewership for the alphabets are liberal, even more so than in past decades.
The networks are only too aware of their demographics. That's how they make their money from advertisers, so they HAVE to know it.
Their viewer base does not mind even a little if they are biased. They believe that the networks are needed to counter Rush Limbaugh, Larry Elders, et al. (Really)
The networks are aware of this also.
Therefore - cBS will stonewall. NBCABCMSNBCCNN will mention that the forgeries really should have been better, but will concede that a TANG fighter jock Lt Col could have got his hands on a mag-tape-enhanced-high-end IBM Composer that existed at the time, happened to have a special set of hammers with superscripts and a type setting font, took the time to delicately compose in exacting spacial detail using two passes of typing to precisely center and superscript a memo for his personal file that his looney son thinks he doesn't believe in keeping (because it's against TANG regulations) in the first place, using language out of character for him for normal memos, but seeing as how some of these were typed on the weekend he'd have the time, and be expected to be out of character.
And because a scenario exists where, ignoring all of the inconsequential details that right wing extremists are using to muddy the waters, like "Hey any idiot can exactly duplicate these memo's on a PC in 10 minutes", the memos could have possibly been generated in 1972, against all odds, this will pass as one of those things that is just too murky to call one way or another.
And this, my friends, is how great societies come to collapse in ruins.
The only thing that has any chance to stop it is us.
God bless, and keep on rockin' in the Free World. Loud, tall, strong. You've earned it. You deserve it. You deserve a future, not a future shock.
NonLinear out. |
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GenrXr Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 1720 Location: Houston
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:21 am Post subject: |
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As a proud conservative who usually votes republican I see the dangers we face as a nation with a weak and radical far left democratic party. It is necessary for our fitness as a nation to have at least 2 strong national parties so there can always be a strong debate. Hopefully, with Millers strength and courage the once proud and honorable democratic party will awaken and throw out the communists and get back to their roots. For the betterment of all of us.
Quote: | Since there's not enough time to challenge all of these critics to a duel, let me set the record straight here and now.
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Give em hell Zell. _________________ "An activist is the person who cleans up the water, not the one claiming its dirty."
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797), Founder of Conservative Philosophy |
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hotwtr Seaman Recruit
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 5 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Wind Walker,
I also was watching the discovery channel and thought my jaw would drop when the war room (DNC) was aired. Here is an e-mail I sent to John Gibson at FOX to see if they would follow up.
Mr. Gibson,
Sunday I was watching “Making the Message: The Fight for the Presidency” on he Discovery channel, after Zell Miller gave his speech at the Republication National Convention, the Truth Patrol from the DNC created their talking points in opposition to his speech. My first thought was they would send it to their pundits for rebuttal on news shows. I was amazed that they sent their talking points directly to CNN with Wolfe Blitzer and they used them, when interviewing Zell Miller. Watching the DNC war room as the interview was occurring, they were ecstatic on how they had their message live on CNN and how they had nailed Zell Miller. So the fact that several CNN commentators are advising John Kerry is no surprise considering the DNC is providing CNN with questions to ask anyone who opposes John Kerry.
Thanks for taking the time to truly research your information and provide even balanced reporting, no wonder our family watches FOX.
PED
Kissimmee, Florida _________________ "Quidvis Recte Factum Quamvis Humile Praeclarum" (Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble) |
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Theresa Alwood Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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You might want to also try Brit Hume - e-mail address: special@foxnews.com or Fred Barnes - e-mail address: beltwayboys@foxnews.com - they tend to pick up some of these stories and look into it. I e-mailed both over the swiftvets even after Fred and Mort both was at first negative towards the swiftvets..they soon changed their mind. _________________ Born to raise a little hell! |
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shadowy Commander
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 301 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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I notice that Zell Miller's speech enraged Democrat party leaders, when he questioned their judgement and accused them of thinking of the US as occupiers rather than liberators. Imagine how they would have felt if he had falselyaccused them of being war criminals. _________________ It's downright brilliant the way he's reserving his devastating intellect to spring it on us at exactly the right moment. |
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