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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:50 am Post subject: NewsMax - Two Former Joint Chiefs Chairmen Endorse Kerry |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:42 p.m. EDT
Two Former Joint Chiefs Chairmen Endorse Kerry
Speaking at the Truman Library, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry detailed his plan to make America stronger by modernizing the world's most powerful military to meet today's threats.
Kerry also announced a Senior Military Advisory Group of prominent retired admirals and general officers who are advising his campaign on defense and national security issues.
"I am honored to have such a distinguished group of experienced military leaders and professionals working with me on the vital security challenges facing our nation," said Kerry. (The full list is below.)
Kerry has said his national security policy will be guided by four imperatives: building and leading new alliances; modernizing the military; deploying all that is in America's arsenal – the power of our economy, our diplomacy, our intelligence capabilities and our values and ideas; and freeing America from its dangerous dependence on Mideast oil.
"Today, in the post-9/11 world, we stand at another historic crossroad, at another moment when the old enemy is gone but we face a new threat," Kerry said today. "We must change if we are to meet and defeat the danger. We must rebuild our military and prepare it for the risks and tasks of a new era."
He will also ensure that our troops have the training and the professional military education necessary to employ these technologies.
Below is the list of retired senior military flag officers who are advising John Kerry:
Adm. William Crowe (USN, Ret.) Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Gen. John Shalikashvili (USA, Ret.) Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Gen. Tony McPeak (USAF, Ret.) Former U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff
Adm. Stansfield Turner, (USN, Ret.) Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Gen. Joseph Hoar (USMC, Ret.) Former Commander in Chief, U.S. Central Command
Gen. Wesley Clark (USA, Ret.) Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
Gen. Johnnie Wilson (USA, Ret.) Former Commander, U.S. Army Material Command
Lt. Gen. Daniel Christman (USA, Ret.) Former Superintendent, U.S. Military Academy
Lt. Gen. Kennedy (USA, Ret.) Former Deputy Army Chief of Staff for Intelligence
Vice Adm. Lee Gunn (USN, Ret.) Former Inspector General, U.S. Navy
Maj. Gen. Harry Jenkins (USMC, Ret.) Former Chief Legislative Liaison, U.S. Marine Corps |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:56 am Post subject: |
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This is a pretty distinguished list.
Gee how are the "Vets" going to deal with this one? |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | This is a pretty distinguished list.
Gee how are the "Vets" going to deal with this one? |
Maybe accuse that they are all commies who were drummed out of the serivce? |
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AZ3 Ensign
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The gentlemen named are all part and parcel of the Clinton team. All bought and paid for. Evidence enough that electing Kerry would be returning to the group that brought us Somalia and the USS Cole.
From the Washington Times:
Clinton's team aids Kerry on military
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Sen. John Kerry, who delivers a major speech today on how he would reshape the military, is getting his national security ideas from a cadre of retired generals and ex-civilian officials who advised President Clinton.
But in speeches so far, the Massachusetts Democrat sounds like President Bush when discussing his strategy for the war on terrorism and a military of the future. Mr. Kerry even attempts to sound tougher than the hawkish president.
The presidential candidate said this week that he wants to "secure all bomb-making materials" in the world. The phrase seemed designed to trump Mr. Bush's achievements in getting Libya to disarm and cracking Pakistan's nuclear weapons black market.
Mr. Kerry's series of national security speeches also is a bid to close poll numbers that give Mr. Bush a big edge in fighting the war on terror. In the process, the candidate is positioning himself to the right of the Democratic Party's left wing, which ridicules the need for a global war on terror.
"His speech will be focused on strengthening the military to meet the new threats we face," said campaign spokeswoman Brooke Anderson.
Mr. Kerry says he wants to hunt down terrorists worldwide and prepare the military for new threats — themes that closely mirror those of the Bush administration.
The president has adopted a policy of pre-emption to kill or capture al Qaeda and other terrorists before they attack.
Mr. Kerry seemed to echo that position in a May 27 speech. "As president," he said, "my No. 1 security goal will be to prevent the terrorists from gaining weapons of mass murder. And our overriding mission will be to disrupt and destroy their terrorist cells. ... We must take the fight to the enemy on every continent."
In the speech, Mr. Kerry did not repeat his earlier position that the military would play "far less" of a role in the war on terror if he is elected.
The earlier statement has stirred questions on whether Mr. Kerry would revert to counterterrorism policies of the Clinton presidency, when no military attack on the ground was launched against Osama bin Laden or his al Qaeda network.
Mr. Kerry also said in the speech that "we must modernize the world's most powerful military to meet the new threats."
The statement is similar to Mr. Bush's pledge as candidate in 1999 and 2000 to transform the military for the 21st century by ending some developing weapons systems in favor of more futuristic ones.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has pushed the armed forces to break away from Cold War doctrines and to adopt battlefield tactics that emphasize speed in getting to the battle and in fighting the enemy.
Mr. Kerry also says he would temporarily increase Army strength by 40,000 soldiers to ease the burden on the 10 active-duty divisions that are stretched thin globally. The Army, under Mr. Bush, has used emergency powers to increase the ranks by up to 30,000 to keep troop levels in Iraq at about 138,000.
Mr. Kerry's most conspicuous supporters among retired four-star generals are John Shalikashvili, whom Mr. Clinton appointed as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1993; and Wesley Clark, whom Mr. Clinton named as chief of U.S. Southern Command at a time when some in the Army wanted him to retire at three-star rank. Mr. Clinton later appointed the general as chief of NATO, where he directed the 79-day air war against Serbian forces of deposed leader Slobodan Milosevic.
Also speaking out for Mr. Kerry is retired Adm. William Crowe, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the first Bush administration. Adm. Crowe, upon retirement, backed Mr. Clinton in the 1992 election and became ambassador to Britain.
He has come to Mr. Kerry's defense in response to attack ads from the Bush campaign.
Also advising the Kerry campaign is retired Army Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy, the Army's top intelligence officer. She gained fame as the Army's most prominent spokeswoman against sexual harassment and then found herself involved in one of the military's most famous cases. She accused a two-star general of groping her in her Pentagon office.
The Army inspector general substantiated the charge, based mostly on her testimony. The general, who denied the charge, was disciplined and forced to retire. The inspector general's report said Gen. Kennedy had no motive to lie.
Civilians advising Mr. Kerry on national security are mostly Clinton Cabinet members, including Defense Secretary William Perry, National Security Adviser Samuel R. Berger and Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright. Mrs. Albright has emerged as one of Mr. Kerry's most partisan Bush attackers on cable TV. At one event, she announced her alliance with left-wing activist Michael Moore.
Mr. Kerry also has benefited from two retired generals who are frequent Bush critics: retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News on-air analyst; and retired Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni.
Gen. Zinni, a former head of U.S. Central Command, argued against using ground troops to go after al Qaeda in the 1990s. Today, he frequently criticizes Mr. Bush for the Iraq war and says Mr. Rumsfeld should quit. The general supported Mr. Bush in the 2000 election.
Ms. Anderson had no comment on whether Mr. Kerry, as president, would move to end the ban on open homosexuals in the military. As a senator, he has opposed the prohibition. But he also has said that commanders in some units should have the flexibility to exclude homosexuals to protect unit cohesion.
Mr. Clinton began his first term by trying to lift the ban, but ended up signing a defense bill that codified the restriction. If Mr. Kerry wants to change the policy, he would need the approval of Congress. _________________ Helantisubron 4, 1970-1974, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club member, Shellback, American. Nuff said. |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Craig wrote: | Saint wrote: | This is a pretty distinguished list.
Gee how are the "Vets" going to deal with this one? |
Maybe accuse that they are all commies who were drummed out of the serivce? |
Could you supply specifics as to which one of these Gentlemen was drummed out of the Service and for what? It would be interesting if you could supply some facts. A majority of these guys are Nam Vets as well. Why so much hate? |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:03 am Post subject: |
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AZ3 wrote: | The gentlemen named are all part and parcel of the Clinton team. All bought and paid for. . |
8 years of prosperity and peace for the United States. I will take Bill Clinton back anyday. Bring it on!
Has to be sad for you Neo Cons to know that if the Constitution allowed Clinton to run again, he would beat your boy Bushie in the worst way. Man it would be ugly! |
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fortdixlover Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:04 am Post subject: Re: NewsMax - Two Former Joint Chiefs Chairmen Endorse Kerry |
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kyleparr wrote: | Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:42 p.m. EDT
Two Former Joint Chiefs Chairmen Endorse Kerry
Speaking at the Truman Library, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry detailed his plan to make America stronger by modernizing the world's most powerful military to meet today's threats...Kerry has said his national security policy will be guided by four imperatives: building and leading new alliances; modernizing the military; deploying all that is in America's arsenal – the power of our economy, our diplomacy, our intelligence capabilities and our values and ideas; and freeing America from its dangerous dependence on Mideast oil. |
As usual, Kerry speaks in platitudes about WHAT he will do, but gives no specifics on HOW he will do these things.
This is beacuse he has no plan, other than to make plans.
Compare this to GWB's speech at the US Air Force academy.
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AZ3 Ensign
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | Craig wrote: | Saint wrote: | This is a pretty distinguished list.
Gee how are the "Vets" going to deal with this one? |
Maybe accuse that they are all commies who were drummed out of the serivce? |
Could you supply specifics as to which one of these Gentlemen was drummed out of the Service and for what? It would be interesting if you could supply some facts. A majority of these guys are Nam Vets as well. Why so much hate? |
Uh...he's on your side. _________________ Helantisubron 4, 1970-1974, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club member, Shellback, American. Nuff said. |
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kyleparr Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Gen. Zinni, a former head of U.S. Central Command, argued against using ground troops to go after al Qaeda in the 1990s. Today, he frequently criticizes Mr. Bush for the Iraq war and says Mr. Rumsfeld should quit. The general supported Mr. Bush in the 2000 election.
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I am the same way. Bush seemed like a good guy back then. Now he is a war mongering totalitarian.
It was the Clinton built Military that went to Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush didn't have time to rebuild everything, especially with his month long vacation in his first year.
Oh. I guess they were drummed out. Drummed out at high flag rank, unlike the bunch of e-4's here. |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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AZ3 wrote: | Saint wrote: | Craig wrote: | Saint wrote: | This is a pretty distinguished list.
Gee how are the "Vets" going to deal with this one? |
Maybe accuse that they are all commies who were drummed out of the serivce? |
Could you supply specifics as to which one of these Gentlemen was drummed out of the Service and for what? It would be interesting if you could supply some facts. A majority of these guys are Nam Vets as well. Why so much hate? |
Uh...he's on your side. |
Oh yeah--- damn.... forgot my reading glasses....Thanks! Sorry Craig! |
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fortdixlover Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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Saint wrote: | 8 years of prosperity and peace for the United States. I will take Bill Clinton back anyday. Bring it on!
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Saint,
That's what Osama did whilst Bill was screwing around with Monica in the Oval Office. Osama "brought it on" while Bill "got it up."
Best,
FDL
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AZ3 Ensign
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:08 am Post subject: |
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kyleparr wrote: | Oh. I guess they were drummed out. Drummed out at high flag rank, unlike the bunch of e-4's here. |
Kyle, I was an E-4. There is nothing wrong with that. Now up to this point, especially after the respectful PM's we exchanged, I assumed you were open and somewhat impartial. I'm hoping to continue believing that. _________________ Helantisubron 4, 1970-1974, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club member, Shellback, American. Nuff said. |
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Saint Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:08 am Post subject: |
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fortdixlover wrote: | Saint wrote: | 8 years of prosperity and peace for the United States. I will take Bill Clinton back anyday. Bring it on!
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Saint,
That's what Osama did whilst Bill was screwing around with Monica inthe Oval Office. Osama "brought it on" while Bill "got it up."
FDL |
Funny how Bush new about Osama, but instead wanted to fight the Cold War that had been over for 10 years. Hows come we no longer hear about the missle defense shield from his dumbass? |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:08 am Post subject: |
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AZ3 wrote: | The gentlemen named are all part and parcel of the Clinton team. All bought and paid for. Evidence enough that electing Kerry would be returning to the group that brought us Somalia and the USS Cole.
From the Washington Times:
Clinton's team aids Kerry on military
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Sen. John Kerry, who delivers a major speech today on how he would reshape the military, is getting his national security ideas from a cadre of retired generals and ex-civilian officials who advised President Clinton.
But in speeches so far, the Massachusetts Democrat sounds like President Bush when discussing his strategy for the war on terrorism and a military of the future. Mr. Kerry even attempts to sound tougher than the hawkish president.
The presidential candidate said this week that he wants to "secure all bomb-making materials" in the world. The phrase seemed designed to trump Mr. Bush's achievements in getting Libya to disarm and cracking Pakistan's nuclear weapons black market.
Mr. Kerry's series of national security speeches also is a bid to close poll numbers that give Mr. Bush a big edge in fighting the war on terror. In the process, the candidate is positioning himself to the right of the Democratic Party's left wing, which ridicules the need for a global war on terror.
"His speech will be focused on strengthening the military to meet the new threats we face," said campaign spokeswoman Brooke Anderson.
Mr. Kerry says he wants to hunt down terrorists worldwide and prepare the military for new threats — themes that closely mirror those of the Bush administration.
The president has adopted a policy of pre-emption to kill or capture al Qaeda and other terrorists before they attack.
Mr. Kerry seemed to echo that position in a May 27 speech. "As president," he said, "my No. 1 security goal will be to prevent the terrorists from gaining weapons of mass murder. And our overriding mission will be to disrupt and destroy their terrorist cells. ... We must take the fight to the enemy on every continent."
In the speech, Mr. Kerry did not repeat his earlier position that the military would play "far less" of a role in the war on terror if he is elected.
The earlier statement has stirred questions on whether Mr. Kerry would revert to counterterrorism policies of the Clinton presidency, when no military attack on the ground was launched against Osama bin Laden or his al Qaeda network.
Mr. Kerry also said in the speech that "we must modernize the world's most powerful military to meet the new threats."
The statement is similar to Mr. Bush's pledge as candidate in 1999 and 2000 to transform the military for the 21st century by ending some developing weapons systems in favor of more futuristic ones.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has pushed the armed forces to break away from Cold War doctrines and to adopt battlefield tactics that emphasize speed in getting to the battle and in fighting the enemy.
Mr. Kerry also says he would temporarily increase Army strength by 40,000 soldiers to ease the burden on the 10 active-duty divisions that are stretched thin globally. The Army, under Mr. Bush, has used emergency powers to increase the ranks by up to 30,000 to keep troop levels in Iraq at about 138,000.
Mr. Kerry's most conspicuous supporters among retired four-star generals are John Shalikashvili, whom Mr. Clinton appointed as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1993; and Wesley Clark, whom Mr. Clinton named as chief of U.S. Southern Command at a time when some in the Army wanted him to retire at three-star rank. Mr. Clinton later appointed the general as chief of NATO, where he directed the 79-day air war against Serbian forces of deposed leader Slobodan Milosevic.
Also speaking out for Mr. Kerry is retired Adm. William Crowe, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the first Bush administration. Adm. Crowe, upon retirement, backed Mr. Clinton in the 1992 election and became ambassador to Britain.
He has come to Mr. Kerry's defense in response to attack ads from the Bush campaign.
Also advising the Kerry campaign is retired Army Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy, the Army's top intelligence officer. She gained fame as the Army's most prominent spokeswoman against sexual harassment and then found herself involved in one of the military's most famous cases. She accused a two-star general of groping her in her Pentagon office.
The Army inspector general substantiated the charge, based mostly on her testimony. The general, who denied the charge, was disciplined and forced to retire. The inspector general's report said Gen. Kennedy had no motive to lie.
Civilians advising Mr. Kerry on national security are mostly Clinton Cabinet members, including Defense Secretary William Perry, National Security Adviser Samuel R. Berger and Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright. Mrs. Albright has emerged as one of Mr. Kerry's most partisan Bush attackers on cable TV. At one event, she announced her alliance with left-wing activist Michael Moore.
Mr. Kerry also has benefited from two retired generals who are frequent Bush critics: retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News on-air analyst; and retired Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni.
Gen. Zinni, a former head of U.S. Central Command, argued against using ground troops to go after al Qaeda in the 1990s. Today, he frequently criticizes Mr. Bush for the Iraq war and says Mr. Rumsfeld should quit. The general supported Mr. Bush in the 2000 election.
Ms. Anderson had no comment on whether Mr. Kerry, as president, would move to end the ban on open homosexuals in the military. As a senator, he has opposed the prohibition. But he also has said that commanders in some units should have the flexibility to exclude homosexuals to protect unit cohesion.
Mr. Clinton began his first term by trying to lift the ban, but ended up signing a defense bill that codified the restriction. If Mr. Kerry wants to change the policy, he would need the approval of Congress. |
Cool. Can we dismiss any high ranking military who support Bush on account of their being Republicans or having advised some Republican or having supported something or other sometime or other? |
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kyleparr Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Osama has great teachers in the Reagan and Bush administrations. How many hundreds of millions did they pump into Afghanistan and the Mujahadin? Osama and Saddam were BUILT by republicans in the eighties and early nineties. |
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