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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She said
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She spoke fondly of the Olympia machine, which she said had a key with the “th” superscript character that was the focus of much debate in the CBS memos.
int the Dallis morning news.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classic dimobarbarain "hide the football" end run on the facts.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I'm dense -- why would someone forge the documents if real ones exist?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real ones don't exist -- anymore -- but that doesn't matter (nor does it matter that the ones we see today were forgeries) because "I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos."

I hope Mrs. Knox realizes she's doing the heavy lifting for CBS and the DNC on this one.

(BTW -- Add the appropriate level of cynicism here.)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know for sure that an olympia typwriter had a superscritp th ability?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spudhorse wrote:
The real ones don't exist -- anymore -- but that doesn't matter (nor does it matter that the ones we see today were forgeries) because "I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos."

I hope Mrs. Knox realizes she's doing the heavy lifting for CBS and the DNC on this one.

(BTW -- Add the appropriate level of cynicism here.)


I don't know kind of smells like piranha food to me Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobD wrote:
Anyone know for sure that an olympia typwriter had a superscritp th ability?


I learned to type in High School on mechanical Olympias and Royals in '61 and '62 and don't remember "th" or for that matter "st". The "st" part is something everyone is overlooking. If a machine had a special key and character for "th" why wouldn't it also have the same for a "st"?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what is REALLY BAD about this whole thing? It seems like it's a red herring invented by the DNC to take the attention away from the swiftvets issue.....that John Kerry was a traitor to his country on returning home from Vietnam. That, to me, should disqualify him from ever holding the office of POTUS, not to mention that he should never even have been allowed to become a US senator!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MotherGoose wrote:
You know what is REALLY BAD about this whole thing? It seems like it's a red herring invented by the DNC to take the attention away from the swiftvets issue.....that John Kerry was a traitor to his country on returning home from Vietnam. That, to me, should disqualify him from ever holding the office of POTUS, not to mention that he should never even have been allowed to become a US senator!!!!!!


MotherGoose,

You are so right!

this is a battle won IMHO. Time to get back on message; back to winning the war!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Mrs. Knox also said:

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She said the typeface on the documents did not match either of the two typewriters that she used during her time at the Guard. She identified those machines as a mechanical Olympia, which was replaced by an IBM Selectric in the early 1970s.


Whether it has or doesn't have a superscript TH, the person who had access to the file and would have have done the typing says the documents are fake.

End of discussion on the forgeries (and we should forget about them Evil or Very Mad )

But the content is 'more or less correct' [my words]

It looks like CBS and the DNC are hoping that Mrs. Knox will shift this to a she said - he said debate.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASPB:


Simple explanation why "th" would get preference for superscript key, actually.

A typewriter has only a limited number of keys. A superscript "th" would be used with numbers ending in 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 0. Others ("st", "nd", "rd") would be used with numbers ending in only a single digit (1, 2, and 3, respectively).

Not sure if this was the case, but it makes sense from the perspective of using scarce resources (like keys on a typewriter keyboard) efficiently.
Documents so prepared would look pretty odd, though, if only some ordinals were superscripted and others weren't.

It's also possible all 4 superscripts were present. Adding all 4 superscripts would only require using 2 extra (nonstandard) keys; with shifts, this would allow all 4 to be typed.

As to why one was used and the other wasn't in these memos - well, we'll just have to ask the typist.

Assuming we ever find him/her, of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think her story will be toast before Dan can interview her.

Even if this is a distraction from Kerry's record, it still sucks oxygen from his campaign. Do you not think that in the absence of this media storm we would see endless positive stories about Kerry campaigning? It dosen't hurt Bush, it distracts the media from Kerry.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spudhorse:


I must disagree. The use of forged documents to smear an opponent is a pretty low political dirty trick. It may also be criminal.

This fact - that Kerry and his ilk apparently were willing to use obviously forged documents to influence an election - is damned important.

We also need to press the point that Kerry's whole message is a "null message" and that it's Kerry - not Bush - who has proven himself unfit to be president via his past conduct.

However, we need to do this in parallel with - not in preference to - the memo issue.

The memo issue also has the collateral benefit of further exposing the "Complete Bull $#1t" network as exactly that.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Memory is a funny thing. Especially if a bias or reason to want to believe something is present. I have no doubt OJ would pass a lie detector test while stating his innocence, and he probably truly believes it now. (Of course that's about 5 orders of magnitude past what we have here.)

My guess is that Killian was briefly peeved at Bush at one point. (As I've said before, how many officers or bosses are never upset at even the best of their subordinates at some point?) But, if at the end of Bush's time in the Guard, Killian thought Bush was a good officer, isn't that what counts?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hondo -- we agree. I was just stating the obvious about what CBS and the DNC would like to happen.
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