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Ohio Voter · PO2 Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 360

I have only heard brief refrence to Kerry's Paris meeting. Where can I read about it? Or see a video of it?

m_drummond · Lt.Jg. Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 129 Location: Dallas TX

Don't get too hung-up on the you don't have to be active military to commit treason. It's worse if it's pushed as Kerry being "in the military at the time" along with the oath to defend his country. This will have more resonance with more people.
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SooZQ · Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject:

lftrn97 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 20

Are the records out on how sKerry met his Reserve obligations?

low26 · Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject:

I am not a lawyer but, I believe it is illeagal for a U.S. citizen to negotiate with an agent of a foriegn government, He can not deny negotiating with them, well he can but it is on tape that he did

dcornutt · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Brooklyn, NY

Is it not also mentioned in his senate testimony? He says openly he negociated in Paris. He even admits it might have been "borderline" concern. It talks to congress about bypassing the presidents authority to bring a referrendum. That he/his group, could negociate with others..etc.

The CHAIRMAN: The congress cannot directly under our system negociate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system we can advise the President. WE have to persuade the President the urgency of taking this action. Now we have certain way in which to proceed. We can, of course, express ourselves in a resolution or we can pass an act which directly affects appropriations which is the most concrete positive way the Congress can express itself.

KERRY: "Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negociate treaties and I realize that even my vistits in Paris, precendents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negociating, et cetera.

BC · PO3 Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 288 Location: Oklahoma City

kerry: Bring it on!

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TEWSPilot · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:56 am Post subject:

...checking, but I believe I have seen news lately that Kerry's honorable discharge is dated March 12, 2001. With his other "questionable records", Silver Star with "V" for "Virgin", his excellent Cambodian adventure fairy tales, and all the rest of his "nuances", maybe this is a better picture of what happens when he is placed in a leadership position.
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hiyall · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

Nothing official is likely to come of Kerry's meetings with the N. Vietnamese in Paris.

Public personalities with either great favor with a constituency or in crowd political support seemingly get exemptions from any prosecutorial scrutiny.

More recent examples would be antics of Jesse Jackson, Jimmy Carter and Sandy Berger.

It is not one of the features of our republic form of democracy that I admire.
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TEWSPilot · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:20 pm Post subject:

It proves Kerry and Edwards are correct when they say they have a vision of two Americas: one for them and the elitists, and one for the rest of us. Thanks, I'll take ours anyday.
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stop kerry

The following Sept 17 article from Front Page has an excellent article by conservative lawyer Henry Mark Holzer enttled: 'John Kerry, Criminal':
it seems to address actual different cases from others who brokr the all the concerns about what laws kerry broke and what punishment he should receive for his actions with the enemy during a war 'regardless of whether he was inactive or ready reserve

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127

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Ohio Voter and Stacman,
There are may declassified FBI documents that I'm reading through. I recall reading that a meeting in Paris was going to take place, but I haven't read a document outlining the meeting. I has been reported on the news. The meeting did take place while Kerry was in the Naval Reserve.

I found a report on Kerry where he said "the political power structure can and must change if the nation is to avoid violent efforts to seize power." Kerry further stated, "those who are talking about seizing it (the government) will have every right to go after it."

In a addition to the FBI Report, I did find the actual article in the archives for the Sunday Oklahoman that was printed on November 7, 1971. The report was in Section A, on page 22.

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Sunday Oklahoman: Nov. 7, 1971

John F. Kerry said, "The political power structure within the United States can and must change if the nation is to avoid violent efforts to seize power.

kate · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject:

2ndamendsis · PO3 Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 288 Location: NJ

QUESTION: Wouldn't the Logan Act also apply to his antics in Nicaragua?

d19thdoc · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:16 am Post subject:

Please understand that the Kerry people are not interested in the truth. His whole life has been about propaganda.

They responded to the "Friends" ad (Kerry in Paris) by saying the visits were not "secret!" They attack the adjectives and ignore the substance.

So, do not get hung up on "negotiating" with the enemy. And do not get hung up on his being "in the military" at the time. Then the controversy will be set up by them as whether or not he was subject to the UCMj - not about the fact of the vsiits themselves!

They are trying to get us to play their game. Don't fall for it.

The Logan Act (18 USC 953) does NOT refer to "negotiating." It says ". . . any correspondence or intercourse with any . . . officer or agent . . . in relation to any controversies with the United States . . . or to defeat the measures of the United States . . ."

In this context, "the United States" does not mean public opinion or the people, it means specifically the Federal Government of the United States.
It cannot be clearer that this is exactly what Kerry was doing. If you get hung up on "negotiating," then the controversy becomes about a definition of terms, not about the substance.

They even went so far as to say Kerry did not attend any of the negotiating sessions. Come on! The only way he could get into a session was in an official capacity; they did not sell tickets to bleacher seats. He sure as hell was not going to be invited to attend by the American side, and Madame Binh, as much as she may have wanted to, could not show up at the table with an American Naval Aide.
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