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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:46 am    Post subject: Am I missing something? Reply with quote

Ok. So he took some documents out of a trashcan belonging to GW when he was in the TANG. He holds on to them and later makes up some fake documents to send over to CBS.

Now why doesn't he just sent the originals he has in hand? Why make copies? Why fax them? Why not just give them to Dan's daughter, the originals mind you, and leave it at that.

This is crazy and scary all at the same time. People who I work with are pretty pumped about the latest polls, but I'm taking a more cautious approach. Look at what these people are trying to do. Do you guys truly believe they will allow Bush a win. If they are trying to influence a Presidential election with fraudulant documents, not forges, what else will they do.

We really need to act like we are behind by 10 and double our efforts. CBS is done. Everybody know this, so we need to focus on Kerry and his activities after 71.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burkett's entire story seems totally implausible to me...I can't even get past the basis for his story...that anyone in his/her right mind would conspire to break the law by plowing through confidential government files while witnesses are present, and then leave all of the evidence, all of the files that they were allegedly trying to "cover-up", just sitting there in an easily accessible trash can! Only one of Michael Moore's "stupid Americans" would buy into any of this crap!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just wild conjecture on my part, but I think it's got to be close to the truth nonetheless.

As many have pointed out Burkett's story just seems so implausible. And then we have the thinking that appears in some of the threads about the problems with form, acronyms, terminology, etc. Since Burkett should have known better about these latter, it seems to me to be even more implausible that he was the originator of the fakes.

So what if his very well-known hatred(?) of GWB was taken advantage of by someone more devious? What if someone knew that if Burkett had the least shred of "evidence" to back up his wildly varying stories, he'd use them? (Read his many editorials/op-ed pieces; his emotion would make him pretty blind to "details.")

The $64,000 question in my mind is who could this very devious schemer be? Somebody in the DNC? Someone associated with MoveOn.org? or???
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Houston Chronicle today:

"If Burkett is the source of the CBS documents he must have recently obtained them.

In earlier interviews, he described years of fruitless searching.

One month ago, in an essay posted on a progressive Web site, Burkett theorized that Killian would have been a likely person to know more about Bush's service. But, he conceded, "I have found no documentation from LTC Killian's hand or staff that indicate that this unit was involved in any complicit way to ... cover for the failures of 1Lt. Bush ... " Burkett went on to say, "On the contrary, LTC Killian's remarks are rare." "

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If Burkett said a month ago that he had no documents then how did he fing them before Feb. '04?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammondb3 wrote:
From the Houston Chronicle today:

"If Burkett is the source of the CBS documents he must have recently obtained them.

In earlier interviews, he described years of fruitless searching.

One month ago, in an essay posted on a progressive Web site, Burkett theorized that Killian would have been a likely person to know more about Bush's service. But, he conceded, "I have found no documentation from LTC Killian's hand or staff that indicate that this unit was involved in any complicit way to ... cover for the failures of 1Lt. Bush ... " Burkett went on to say, "On the contrary, LTC Killian's remarks are rare." "

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If Burkett said a month ago that he had no documents then how did he fing them before Feb. '04?


Those admissions write him off..
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2799919
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy has changed his stories more than Kerry. And it always struck me as he originally said the docs were sitting face up in a trash can and he said he saw them, not that he took them, and he said he overheard some of Bush's people saying they were going to "cleanse" Bush's record. If the Bush people were soooooooooooooo worried about "cleansing" his Guard records, would they put them in a trash can face up so everyone could see them? Nothing about this loon's stories has ever added up and he was debunked long ago, even by some of his own friends, and he, like Rather, is just blinded by his obssessive hatred of Bush. Whether he typed the fake memos or not, he certainly was complicit in exposing them to the media.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know that I made myself really clear in my earlier posting (above).

I think it's highly probable that Burkett DID supply the fake documents to CBS.

I also think it is highly unlikely that he produced them. THE SOURCE goes deeper and further, in other words. Burkett was merely the conduit.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anker-Klanker,

I think you are exactly right.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting article from the Washington Post. Note the references to Max Cleland. . .



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30043-2004Sep17.html
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Parallels Drawn Between CBS Memos, Texan's Postings
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 18, 2004; Page A02

The former Texas National Guard officer suspected of providing CBS News with possibly forged records on President Bush's military service called on Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks" in a series of Internet postings in which he also used phrases similar to several employed in the disputed documents.

Retired Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, who earlier said he overheard Bush aides conspiring with the commander of the Texas National Guard to "sanitize" the president's military records, has refused to comment on reports that he could be CBS's confidential source. In e-mails yesterday to The Washington Post, he said he would speak out "at the appropriate time" but "that time is not now."

Former National Guard officer Bill Burkett's home is 21 miles from the copy store where the disputed documents are said to have been faxed.

In e-mail messages to a Yahoo discussion group for Texas Democrats, Burkett laid out a rationale for using what he termed "down and dirty" tactics against Bush. He said that he had passed his ideas to the Democratic National Committee but that the DNC seemed "afraid to do what I suggest."

In another message, dated Sept. 4, Burkett hinted he might have had advance knowledge of some details in an explosive segment that aired Sept. 8 on CBS's "60 Minutes." In addition to airing footage of an interview with former Texas lieutenant governor Ben Barnes saying he helped Bush get into the Guard, the network broadcast documents purporting to show that Bush had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical required to continue flying in the spring of 1972.

"I believe that Bush knows that there is more coming out than Ben Barnes," Burkett wrote. "No proof, just gut instinct."

In another development, the Los Angeles Times reported that an Atlanta lawyer with conservative Republican connections posted the first Web log entry questioning the authenticity of the CBS documents less than four hours after the initial broadcast on "60 Minutes." The paper identified Harry W. MacDougald as the "Buckhead," who became a hero of conservative Web sites after pointing out technical problems with the documents, such as fonts and proportionate spacing.

MacDougald declined to say how he learned about the problems with the documents so early. In addition to being released by CBS, copies of the documents were e-mailed by the White House to reporters as "60 Minutes" went on the air.

For his part, Burkett said in an Aug. 25 posting to a different Web site, Online Journal, that he and other researchers had "reassembled" files showing that Bush did not fulfill his oath to obey his superior officers. It was not clear from the context of the message, however, whether he was referring to records that have dribbled out of the White House and the Pentagon in response to Freedom of Information Act requests or to previously unpublished documents.

Yesterday, the Pentagon released more records of Bush's service with the Texas National Guard, two days after a Texas Guard official told The Post that no new documents had been discovered. The records showed that Bush's father, who was then a Republican congressman from Houston, thanked his son's commander for taking a personal "interest in a brand new Air Force trainee."

Burkett, who worked at the Austin headquarters of the Texas Guard before his retirement in 1998, has said he saw some of the younger Bush's records in a trash can when Bush was preparing to run for reelection as governor of Texas. Guard officials have called his assertion fictitious.

CBS News has refused to identify the person who provided "60 Minutes" with records purporting to show that Bush received preferential treatment from his commanders when he moved from Texas to Alabama in 1972 to take part in a political campaign and was suspended from flying for failing to take a physical. But in an interview published yesterday in the New York Observer, CBS News anchor Dan Rather gave details about his source that fit with known details about Burkett.

Rather described his source as a man who said he, along with his family, has been harassed and threatened by political operatives. In interviews with journalists over the past few years, Burkett complained about receiving threatening phone calls at home, as well as a bullet with his name on it in his mailbox.

Another retired Guard officer who was interviewed for "60 Minutes," Robert Strong, said earlier this week that Rather showed him copies of new Guard records on Bush that bore markings showing that they had been faxed from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Tex., 21 miles from Burkett's home in Baird.

The CBS documents include several phrases that crop up in Web logs signed by Burkett, including "run interference," and references to a pilot's "billet." Former Air National Guard officers have pointed out that "billet" is an Army expression, not an Air Force one. Burkett has also used the expression "cover your six," a military variant of the vulgar abbreviation "CYA," which appears in one of the CBS documents.

In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) about the need to counteract Republican tactics: "I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack. So I gave them the information to do it with. But none of them have called me back."

Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride. He remembers Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

Researcher Alice Crites contributed to this report.
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