SwiftVets.com

sparky · Former Member Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 546

OK, give me the link and I'll watch it all (I might need a few days but I promise I will).

JasonBinPNW · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:18 am Post subject:

Wow, if that doesn't deserve an admin flush.

Wholely inappropriate Sparky.

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

Thanks. You can see it at this site:

http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=swift&image1.x=18&image1.y=6

You have to have Real Player, and as much as I detest RP for their egregious privacy policies, it's worth it to install this piece of cwap on your machine just to see this press conference.
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JasonBinPNW · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:31 am Post subject:

James Steffes · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:56 am Post subject: Kerry is an embarrassment

In answer to Craig's statement about separating the real Swift Boat Sailors from the others. I am posting under my real name, James Steffes, and I also gave my statement at the news conference on May 4th. I am a retired Navy Chief Petty Officer and I served on Swift Boats from June 1968 to June 1969, six months of it on the same rivers as John Kerry. I stated the following; We served on the same boats as Kerry, at the same time as Kerry, on the same missions as Kerry, under the same commanders as Kerry. I did not see the atrocities of which he spoke and accused his fellow Swifties of committing. On Tim Russert's Meet the Press, John Kerry was asked if he still believed the crimes were committed by everyone after the speakers at Winter Soldier were found to be fakes. He stated that he did not witness the crimes that these witnesses said they committed and even after they were uncovered as fakes, he still stood by his statements to this day.
This is why the Swift Boat Veterans do not believe he should be Commander in Chief.
Thanks for listening.

JasonBinPNW · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Kerry is an embarrassment

eecee · Ensign Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 52

James Steffes · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Kerry is an embarrassment

Hesiod · Former Member Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 49

Hesiod · Former Member Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 49

carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

The venom fairly drips from the mouths of those who don't have a clue what they are talking about. They are experts who haven't paid their dues and never will.

eecee · Ensign Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 52

James Steffes · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry is an embarrassment

He including us in his statements that he participated in "free fire zone" etc. You have to understand that he only served four months on these boats. They had a crew of six and NEVER went into hostile areas ALONE. The Sea Lord Raids in which he did these things, included at least two other boats with crews of six. Therefore, if he did these things of which he spoke, others must have done them as well. If he did these things as he says, over a four month period, there were many Swift Boats with him cnsidering the tempo of operations.
Therefore, he accuses his fellow Swift Boat Sailors of performing these same acts of killing, etc.
He speaks in general terms sometimes and other times he says he only heard of these atrocities. He is very careful what he says.
Our group resents the fact that he includes us in his wild claims and seeks to use this four months of his life, when he spent it with us, as his basis for being elected to high office.
My question is, Why doesn't he use his vast experience as a U.S. Senator as a basis for voters to elect him??
Why doesn't he use his vast experience, as an anti-war activist, to further his claims to be president.
Why doesn't he use his extensive time working on the Committee that investigated the POW/MIA issues after the war?? This resulted in recognizing the Hanoi Regime and slammed the door on the unaccounted for MIA's and POW's that were reported to be alive by other POW's when the war ended.
Instead, he uses the four months of Vietnam Service as his "proof" that he is qualified to serve as Commander in Chief.
Without using his Vietnam Service, how would he stand as a candidate??

This makes more sense to me, and would better state his leadership qualifications to lead this country than a 50ft boat in a small river far away from here.

So I ask you again, Mr. Steffers, please describe exactly which atrocities he attributed to Swift Boat veterans.

Please also describe exactly where he accused ALL Vietnam veterans of raping and killing women and children, torturing civilians, etc.

Thank you.

(To help, here is a link to his 1971 testimony to Congress: http://www.pbs.org/greatspeeches/timeline/j_kerry_s.html

and here is a link to a recent interview with a quote from his 1971 "Meet the Press" appearance:

http://hnn.us/articles/printfriendly/3552.html )[/quote]

carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

Try this one eecee. After describing the testimony of the phonies and the real vets that participated in the winter soldier investigation, Kerry drew his own conclusions that those events were "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at ALL levels of command." That includes Kerry and every officer with any type of command and all the troops under their command. Pretty broad brush he wielded to paint his fellow swifties and everyone else serving in RVN with the stain of atrocity committer.
I don't expect you to agree. It is obvious that the truth is not what you are after.
But there it is,the quote you are looking for.