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dmackto
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email from BBurkett
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Texas-Democrats/message/7167
| Quote: | We fight on in spite of one of the worst run campaigns I've seen in my
lifetime, because we simply don't have a choice. It's disheartening when you
have a
race that actually could be a shoe -in but as the Los Angelos Time survey
indicates, only 20 someodd percent of the people in the electorate like either
of
the candidates or the campaigns.
While some of us pine for the return of Bill CLinton, that's not the real
answer. Many of us have risked everything on this election. And the
disappointment is deep and difficult to manage.
But we fight on, inspite of incompetance at the top. |
emphisis added.
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7rrfs
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: |
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anyone seen this?
http://wizbangblog.com/archives/003709.php
CBS BLAMES WHITE HOUSE FOR ITS MISTAKES
Or Rove Screws CBS, (OK that's supposed to be a humorous jab at the Rove-obsessed left...)
at the bottom
This completely changes the time-line of events, as we reported previously Rather had maintained that they had been working on this story for 6 weeks. Now we know that the DNC and Kerry campaign had these forgeries BEFORE CBS! Were they the source? Was an affiliated organization like MoveOn.org the source?
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a6502
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:01 am Post subject: |
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How do you spell conspiracy?
RICO...
Indict the 'Kerry Campaign', the 'DNC', and 'CBS', have the court do a full audit, and then - follow the money.
Going after CBS alone won't work, but roping them all in is a different story. Theory being that these groups are currently conspiring to throw the election. Using that basis the case can be made using a lot of different 'coincedental' things that probably would not be admissible on any 'single count' or non-conspiracy type of charges against any of the bad guys alone. |
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ASPB
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: |
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So by September 3rd we have.
1. Documents in the hands of CBS (Mapes) probably from Burkett.
2. Barnes comes forward to Rather to say he helped Bush get into the TANG.
3. DNC starts the "Favored Son" campaign which had to be in the works for the couple of weeks since Burkett contacted Cleland and the DNC.
What does this add up to?
Answer. The DNC/Kerry coordinated this "Not So Perfect Storm" regardless of who forged the documents.
A confluence of coincidence! AKA a "Cluster-****"!
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a6502
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Conspiracy, I like that.
So, Person #1 asks Organization #1 whether 'illegal' events should transpire. Upon getting the 'go ahead' from Organization #1, Person #1 contacts Organization #2 and 'something illegal' actually happens.
Darned if that doesn't sound like a classic conspiracy to me.
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larrygj
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I don't want to be a wet blanket here, and all and all, this is great news, but...1. Burkett hasn't point-blank made an admission he created the forged documents or that it was those forged documents he gave the Kerry campaign, and 2. What is the Kerry campaign these days? There are about 4,000 people working for him now. For a hilarious read on the Kerry camp disarray, by the way, there is this from David Brooks in the NY Times, their token conservative:
| Quote: | Kerry's Cast of Thousands
By DAVID BROOKS
cross the wine-dark sea they come, honing Kerry's message. They come from Harvard, K Street and the studios of CNN. "Once more into the breach!" they cry, as they join the conference call of thousands.
Look at them, these great, unhuddled masses, yearning to wear White House badges. They are consultants, flacks, spinners, strategists, Knights of the Palm lunch table. And yet they come as one, from all corners of the Democratic world, to figure out what John Kerry, age 60, should believe and say.
Into the valley of hope ride the 600, the inner ring of Kerry confidants. A year ago, there was just a small and hearty band. There was the campaign manager Jim Jordan. There was Gibbs, Cherny and Mellman. But under their reign, the message was not honed. The candidate did flounder. The quest for a Kerry conviction was not fulfilled.
And so the great accretion began. The call went out to pollsters, wonks and wandering wordsmiths to come gather and fill the void of Kerry's core. Brave souls emerged from the Land of Ted - the Kennedy brigades led by Cahill and Cutter are now abetting the mighty Shrum.
Boldly they rode and well, into the morass of Kerry's mind. Through the thicket of equivocations they ventured, across the paradoxical plains of Kerry's prose - all in the quest for a conviction.
Policy committees gathered. Of domestic policy councils there were 37. Of foreign policy councils, 27.
And in each of these councils resided faculties and think-tankers by the score. On the justice policy task force there were 195 members, lawyers brave and strong. On the economic council, more than 200 economists did search for a conclusion. When these groups did meet, so long was the line of approaching Volvos that it was visible from outer space.
Yet still the message was not honed. King Kerry still did equivocate, hedge and reverse. Of flip-flops there were more than a few. He still did Velcro his principles upon the cathedral door, and change them by the hour.
The apparatus grew again. Elmendorf from the Land of Gephardt was hired, along with Lackey from the House of Edwards. Teams of de-equivocators gathered. And still the fog spread.
And so the age of nymphomottomania did begin. Suddenly it was realized what was missing. A theme! A slogan! The muses were mobilized to find that motto, which would give shape and precision to the cause. Over the weeks "A Better Set of Choices" begat "Safer, Stronger and More Secure," which begat "The Real Deal," which begat "Change Starts Here," which begat "Let America Be America Again," which begat "Hope Is on the Way."
Night and day the serial sloganators did work. And the seasons did turn and the conventions did come and go. Kerry's speeches were shortened, and parts of his life were edited out of his story (adulthood, for example). And yet there was still wailing in the House of Kerry for the message was still unhoned.
Kerry himself pinpointed the problem. Of advisers, there were not enough! So this month yet more were brought in, mostly from the camp of Clinton. There is McCurry, Lockhart, Carville and Begala. There is Greenberg and Wolfson.
And so it came to pass there are no swing voters left, because they've all been hired by campaign Kerry. They form a great and mighty leviathan, dedicated to the proposition that John Kerry should believe in something. The flow chart is as clear as can be. Sasso reports to Lockhart, Devine, Sosnick, Cutter and Cahill, while Cutter reports to Devine, Mellman, McCurry, Shrum and herself - except on weekends, when Devine reports to Mellman and Sosnick and Cahill reports to McCurry and Sasso. Lockhart handles strategic response, McCurry daily response, Cutter tactical response and Cahill metaresponse.
Vast is the empire crafting Kerry's creed. Immense is the army of Michelangelos trying to sculpture the melted marshmallow of Kerry's core. And the seasons do turn and the polls do shift and the rending of garments gives way to the sunshine of hope and back again.
And tumultuous is the cry of the strategists, and loud are the furies of the campaign, but in the center there is a silence. For in the beginning all was vacuum and a void, and while all the king's horses and all the king's men do build this grand and mighty structure, the sound of their hammers echoes limitlessly in the hollow within. |
Link is: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html?pagewanted=print&position= |
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ASPB
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Larrygj,
a quote from the NY Slimes. Think about it!
| Quote: | | For now, Mr. Burkett seems to be a focus of the network's efforts to get to the bottom of the documents' validity, which it hopes it can do as early as Monday. One person at the network, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that Mr. Burkett had been at the very least a go-between for the documents, but that very few people at the network know from whom he might have obtained them, if anyone .. Mr. Bush's campaign officials, meanwhile, do not seem as if they are going to let up on the pressure. "There's a threshold question," Nicolle Devenish, Mr. Bush's campaign communications director, said. "If a media outlet is about to go on the air with a story, there is kind of an assumption that they're going on the air with documents that are authentic when they attack the president of the United States of America 50 days before a national election." |
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CandiM
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ASPB wrote: | So by September 3rd we have.
1. Documents in the hands of CBS (Mapes) probably from Burkett.
2. Barnes comes forward to Rather to say he helped Bush get into the TANG.
3. DNC starts the "Favored Son" campaign which had to be in the works for the couple of weeks since Burkett contacted Cleland and the DNC.
What does this add up to?
Answer. The DNC/Kerry coordinated this "Not So Perfect Storm" regardless of who forged the documents.
A confluence of coincidence! AKA a "Cluster-****"! |
I'm missing something here--How do we know that the DNC [started] the "Fortunate Son" ad by 9-3 when it didn't start running until Monday or Tuesday (9-13/14)?--Since it's comprised of nothing but a photo/video montage with a recorded voice-over, it could have been put together in virtually no time at all after the 60 Minutes piece ran the preceding Thursday night--C
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ASPB
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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They were talking about it as early 9/03 - 9/04
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larrygj
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:43 am Post subject: |
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ASP8,
Thanks...so looks like Burkett may be involved, if the unamed source at CBS is to be believed. But I still think we're probably still at the tip of the iceberg here. |
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MJB
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azpatriot
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Bwaaaaa! ROTFLMAO  [/quote]
Yes I thought that was good also! To the point with a twist of humor 
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MJB
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| azpatriot wrote: |
Bwaaaaa! ROTFLMAO |
Yes I thought that was good also! To the point with a twist of humor [/quote]
I laughed, I cried...it moved me
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the0point
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| ccr wrote: | | Cleland is far enough to bring it all down. |
Just a short time ago I would have said no it wouldn't be far enough. But seeing how John Kerry has foisted Cleland to sainthood and then sent him to Texas with that stupid letter denouncing the Swift Boat Veteran Ad...now it's enough. |
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