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		Marine8388 Seaman Recruit
 
  Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Northwest Indiana
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:44 pm    Post subject: Can Kerry run on his record? | 
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				| I would be willing to listen to John Kerry if he would get away from the subject of Vietnam and President Bush's record of service in the Texas Air National Guard.  I for one applaud the Pesident and his refusal to address the so-called contreversy.  He knows and understands that all the DNC is doing is trying to divert the attention away from reality.  If John Kerry was able to stand on his record of public service, they would talk about his record instead of trying to say that the President is not worthy to be the commander-in-Chief. | 
			 
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		PigBoatAndy Former Member
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Getting Away from the Normal Hot Button Issues | 
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				Getting away from the normal hot button issues.
 
 
1.   Energy - neither candidate has really addressed the core energy issues - 
 
-ANWR and drilling off of California or Tampa is crap. That is evasion
 
 
-"Fuel cells in ten years"  - That  is science fiction
 
 
We are going to have to go to real engineering - okay, I'm a nuke - my bias. We are going to have to push hybrid, and automotive data bus, and clean diesel type engines - and look at cutting crude oil with other feed stocks (ethanol, biomass, synthane and syngas, etc.)
 
 
2.   Stem Cell Research - Some people consider stem cell research a form of abortion - but a subset of them also consider organ transplantation as a step on the road to euthanasia (of the donor) - and 55% of Americans refuse to donate organs from loved ones.
 
 
My grand mom was a diabetic, all of my dad's sibs were diabetics, about half of my first cousins are diabetics- and the $$$$ of diabetes will break medicare and the VA!!. 
 
 
Besides - MY GOD sez stem cell research is not abortion and MY GOD also sez organ donation is not euthanasia.
 
 
3.   Off Shoring of skilled manufacturing, technical, professional, and scientific jobs. We are killing the flock of geese that laid America's century plus of  golden eggs. Giving those geese to the PRC and India - heck, paying them to take the geese -- and sell us the eggs at a high mark up.
 
 
Nuthin. Nobody has said nuthin. This Guard versus SWift - and who served in Alabama and Kerry insulted us. I think skating out of the Guard and claiming to be an ACE is also insulting.
 
 
And calling me an atheist because of my position on stem cell research is a lie, an insult, and fighting words.
 
 
Noblesse oblige versus noblesse entitle. What a sorry choice.
 
 
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		Arty Guy Seaman
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 190
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:33 am    Post subject:  | 
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				A.  Kerry has no record of accomplishment in the Senate.  He does have a voting record.
 
 
B.  Like his current public statements, much of his voting record is all over the map.  However, I think it was ADA that rated him as more liberal than Ted Kennedy based on voting records.
 
 
C.  Record? What record?  About the only thing he has succeeded at is marrying wealthy women.  Sure would like to see the pre nup with Teresa. | 
			 
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		Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject:  | 
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				As if Kerry's inability to keep faith with his own brothers isn't bad enough, Kerry's record on defense, military personnel and intelligence spending is absolutely terrifying. 
 
 
Even AFTER attack after attack on our interests overseas, he proposed and voted for cuts in intelligence spending.
 
 
He asked, "Why is our intelligence budget still growing, even though the Cold War is over?" 
 
 
Think about that one - this is a person who clearly has NO CLUE! _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~ 
 
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
 
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		Sandra2004 Seaman Recruit
 
  Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 5 Location: Washington State
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				The following article was submitted to me for publication on my website, and is being posted with permission to use. 
 
 
Kerry's Record of "Commitment"
 
by  Col. Bob Pappas, USMC, Ret.
 
 
"I will not have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those
 
who refused to serve when they could have, and who misled America into
 
Iraq," were Kerry's words at a recent midnight rally in Ohio; Oh?! Okay, the
 
President doesn't have to say a word, 2.5 million Vietnam Veterans will.
 
 
For too many years Kerry's lapdogs protected him whenever he was challenged,
 
but they have never had to face the collective wrath of those who he
 
betrayed.
 
 
If commitment is defined in part by ones voting record, then the list below
 
sheds light into some of the dark corners of Kerry's twenty years in the
 
Senate, a record that he undoubtedly wishes would go away. This writer
 
challenges Senator Kerry's "commitment" to defend this country with Kerry's
 
own votes.
 
 
Senator John Kerry voted to kill:
 
 
-The Army's Bradley Fighting Vehicle;
 
-The Army M-1 Abrams Tank;
 
-The Army Patriot anti Missile system;
 
-The Air Force B-1 bomber;
 
-The Air Force B-2 bomber;
 
-"Block 60" F-16 aircraft for the Air Force;
 
-The Air Force F117 Stealth Fighter:
 
-The Air Force F-15 Strike Eagle;
 
-The Navy's Aegis Fleet protection anti-air and missile system;
 
-The Navy and Marine F/A-18;
 
-The Navy's P-3 Orion upgrade;
 
 
-Every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988; and,
 
-87 billion dollars for US forces to continue the anti terrorist mission in
 
Iraq, including body armor to protect them in the process.
 
 
Kerry's "anti-terrorist" voting record shows he voted to kill or at the
 
least diminish the activities of every clandestine agency of the U.S.
 
Government by voting to cut:
 
 
-The CIA by 80%;
 
-The FBI by 60%;
 
-The National Security Agency by 80%; but,
 
 
-Kerry did vote to increase funding of the UN by 800% .
 
 
There is more, but the objective reader should get the point. It is notable
 
that virtually all the weapons listed are presently in use or were used by
 
US Forces in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in the War on Terror. Any
 
shortcomings of the CIA, FBI and NSA, as they pertained to "911,"
 
unmistakably point to Kerry's manifest "commitment."
 
 
Whether or not Kerry likes it, he will be "crushed" because his betrayal of
 
Americans fighting in Vietnam arguably contributed to the untimely demise of
 
16,000 (while he was betraying them in favor of Hanoi's communist
 
totalitarian regime) who were fighting there to advance the cause of Freedom
 
as well as to contain the spread of Communism as it was first spelled out as
 
US Policy by President Truman.
 
 
Even in this present War on Terror, Kerry publicly maligns the sacrifice of
 
those who have given their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq by characterizing
 
those fallen heroes as "wasted," not unlike his comments on April 23rd, 1971
 
before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:
 
 
"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" But the
 
central, penetrating question: Is the War on Terror, is the struggle for
 
National Survival, is protecting Americans a mistake? Evidently Kerry thinks
 
so when it's convenient; but then he asserts that he would win the War on
 
Terror. Which is it? Are they wasted, or will we win? Ah, but we dare not
 
question his "commitment."
 
 
Kerry has publicly excoriated the President for waging the War against
 
terrorists wherever they may be, and that includes Iraq; this despite the
 
fact that he voted to give the President the authority to do precisely what
 
he did.  Now, Kerry loudly proclaims that the President has failed, and
 
declares that he (Kerry) would fight a, let's give them a break, "more
 
sensitive war." Again, Kerry shows his "commitment" by offering comfort to
 
the Nation's enemies.
 
 
Is "GW" perfect? Hardly! Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" aptly
 
describes the situation:
 
 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong
 
man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The
 
credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred
 
by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes
 
short again and again, because there is no effort without error and
 
shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great
 
enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who
 
at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the
 
worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place
 
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor
 
defeat."
 
 
Has the President made mistakes? Of course he has, but he, as the "Man in
 
the Arena," struggles on with a winning strategy, despite political
 
torpedoes from the "left" at home that undermines the War effort among
 
friends and foes. He is imbued with a vision of Freedom, and "spine of
 
tempered steel," while his opponent flip flops and spins with every change
 
in the winds of fortune or opposition; "commitment?" One of them has
 
commitment all right, but it is not John Forbes Kerry.
 
 
Kerry's historical conduct in hindsight, is now so transparent, so unworthy
 
of dignity, so scurrilous and so treasonous that instead of being a major
 
party's candidate for the Presidency, he should be serving time in
 
Leavenworth. Here's why: Article III, Section 3. of the US Constitution
 
states: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying
 
war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and
 
comfort.".
 
 
But ah, "freedom of speech" is Kerry's "get out of jail card." And so, one
 
of the two major parties has chosen to soil itself by selecting Kerry who
 
cannot, and will not win. (Aside: Why does one see Bill's and Hillary's
 
fingerprints all over this? Does one think they might be in on this "dirty
 
little secret?" Of course they are. They want Kerry to lose so Hillary can
 
run in 2008.)
 
 
Despite his ignominious rhetoric at the 1971 Senate Hearings, neither he nor
 
his "Fellow Traveling" neo Marxists will succeed in painting honorable and
 
patriotic Americans as barbarians, cutting off heads and limbs, of blowing
 
up bodies, and of behaving worse than Genghis Khan. Kerry did not speak for
 
servicemen and women then, does not speak for them now; and America will
 
purge him and his despicable words from its memory when it overwhelmingly
 
rejects him on November 2nd.
 
 
Kerry's political aspirations animate his behavior, and that began before he
 
went to Vietnam; yes, he has "commitment" all right---to himself. His
 
treasonous support of the Communist Regime in Hanoi has yielded him a place
 
of honor in that totalitarian nation's "War Remnants Museum." And, despite
 
"their" best efforts to deflect it, "Benedict Arnold" Kerry will bear that
 
stigma until the lights on earth go out.
 
 
Finally, as one who believes in forgiveness, should one forgive him? Yes,
 
but he has to ask.
 
 
Semper Fidelis
 
 
Comments should be sent to: mailto:cheetah@gulf1.com
 
 
 
In answer to the question:  He can run on his record, but anyone with an ounce of good sense would not vote for him, because of his record. _________________ Sandra
 
Veteran, Mother, and Grandmother of 8
 
Supporting home schooling our kids to preserve our history. 
 
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		GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
 
  Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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				 Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:18 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Mr. Kerry cannot run on his record, as he is too busy running from it.  He has been AWOL form the Senate for almost 2 years. (Did I say AWOL, what about it Senator??) _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 | 
			 
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		DrEntropy Ensign
 
  Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 70 Location: West-central Florida
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				 Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:47 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				PigBoatAndy wrote:
 
 	  | Quote: | 	 		  3. Off Shoring of skilled manufacturing, technical, professional, and scientific jobs. We are killing the flock of geese that laid America's century plus of golden eggs. Giving those geese to the PRC and India - heck, paying them to take the geese -- and sell us the eggs at a high mark up.
 
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Been that way since 1945 and the Marshall Plan! We reconstructed the industrial capabilities of our enemies' war ravaged lands (at our nation's expense), while allowing our own to fall into disrepair. Steel industry, autos, "High Tech"...  name one.
 
 
I'm a (former) certified NDT type: nuke-grade tubing, oil well tubing. That job was disappearing in '77. Nothing was as corrosive to US industry as apathy and inaction regarding the ever-increasing greed of the various "socialist" orgainizations like AFL/CIO, Teamsters, UAW, USW et al. US Industry gave up on its' own: "Who is John Galt." It has already happened. We're now in "catch-up" mode.  If the UN and the rest of the world realize their goals, we'll be third-world in an (historical) eyeblink. Worst part is: we've got only ourselves to blame.  Eggs, basket and all... ~given~ to "those who -need- it." We'll be shooting eachother over cans of beans soon if it continues. WWIV is engaged... has been for YEARS now. We can't afford to lose, and DinkiDow JF'n K is Guaranteed to not only to expedite that loss but also to speed the "worldification" the UN, NATO and the rest of the jealous world would impose on US.
 
 
Oops... apologies for the rant, but I'm posting it anyhoo. you hit a hot button, Andy.   
 
 
...all that, and I'm registered as a Dem!?!?  sheesh. I gotta get more sleep. Or more scotch! _________________ Dr E--
 
 
 "The flames kindled on the fourth of July, seventeen hundred and seventy six, have spread over too much of the globe to be extinguished by the feeble engines of despotism." -- Thomas Jefferson | 
			 
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