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1AD Lt.Jg.
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 138
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:34 pm Post subject: Swift Boat Swill-Village Voice |
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[http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0438/turse.php]
Need to stamp this out ASAP!!!
From the National Archives: New proof of Vietnam War atrocities
Swift Boat Swill
by Nicholas Turse
September 21st, 2004 11:40 AM
John Kerry testifies to Vietnam horrors in 1971
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ohn Kerry is being pilloried for his shocking Senate testimony 34 years ago that many U.S. soldiers—not just a few "rogues"—were committing atrocities against the Vietnamese. U.S. military records that were classified for decades but are now available in the National Archives back Kerry up and put the lie to his critics. Contrary to what those critics, including the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, have implied, Kerry was speaking on behalf of many soldiers when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, and said this:
They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam, in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
The archives have hundreds of files of official U.S. military investigations of such atrocities committed by American soldiers. I've pored over those records—which were classified for decades—for my Columbia University dissertation and, now, this Voice article. The exact number of investigated allegations of atrocities is unknown, as is the number of such barbaric incidents that occurred but weren't investigated. Some war crimes, like the Tiger Force atrocities exposed last year by The Toledo Blade, have only come to light decades later. Others never will. But there are plentiful records to back up Kerry's 1971 testimony point by point. Following (with the names removed or abbreviated) are examples, directly from the archives:
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"They had personally raped"
On August 12, 1967, Specialist S., a military intelligence interrogator, "raped . . . a 13-year-old . . . female" in an interrogation hut in a P.O.W. compound. He was convicted of assault and indecent acts with a child. He served seven months and 16 days for his crimes.
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"Cut off ears"
On August 9, 1968, a seven-man patrol led by First Lieutenant S. entered Dien Tien hamlet. "Shortly thereafter, Private First Class W. was heard to shout to an unidentified person to halt. W. fired his M-16 several times, and the victim was killed. W. then dragged the body to [the lieutenant's] location. . . . Staff Sergeant B. told W. to bring back an ear or finger if he wanted to prove himself a man. W. later went back to the body and removed both ears and a finger." W. was charged with assault and conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline; he was court-martialed and convicted, but he served no prison time. B. was found guilty of assault and was fined $50 a month for three months. S. was discharged from the army before action could be taken against him.
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fortdixlover Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 1476
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Swift Boat Swill-Village Voice |
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1AD wrote: | From the National Archives: New proof of Vietnam War atrocities
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The archives have hundreds of files of official U.S. military investigations of such atrocities committed by American soldiers. I've pored over those records—which were classified for decades—for my Columbia University dissertation and, now, this Voice article |
1. What was the OUTCOME of these inquiries? How many were dismissed?
2. "Hundreds of incidents" in a multi-year, multi-hundreds-of-thousands-of-soldiers conflict is not very impressive with regards to Kerry's comparisons to "Genghis Khan's hordes."
There are more atrocities (beatings, rapes, murders, etc.) committed in one major U.S. city -- say, Chicago -- annually than these "records" reflect. Last time I visited Chicago, though, I failed to see it as a Concentration Camp.
This is a case of anecdotal records incidentally reflecting made-up stories of "mass atrocities."
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Tom Poole Vice Admiral
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 914 Location: America
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject: Swift Boat Swill-Village Voice |
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Nicholas Turse wrote: | ...The archives have hundreds of files of official U.S. military investigations of such atrocities committed by American soldiers. ... |
This critic has missed the point again. No one, certainly not the Swiftees, has EVER said atrocities were not committed. What's been said herein is it was not policy, no one actually witnessed these things, and any known about were prosecuted vigorously (except those witnessed and carried out by Kerry). DO THE NUMBERS! If "hundreds of files" exist, even 500 atrocities per year for ten years is less than one-fourth-of-one-percent! That's easily the lowest crime rate for any military force in the history of the planet. And in reality, from what I've learned over the last month, far, far fewer than these numbers were committed. Maybe Nicholas should first count them, then compare them to our enemies, then make a story based on the facts. _________________ '58 Airedale HMR(L)-261 VMO-2 |
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DenisC Seaman
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 166 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Why add to the V Voice readership. I think this should be removed. We had these type of crimes in big citys around the World each week. _________________ DenisC
173rd Airborne, RVN '65-67' |
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