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fanningp Seaman Apprentice
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:26 am Post subject: Kids for Kerry |
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Has anyone heard of this group? I heard on local talk radio here in Milwaukee last night that there are 100-200 here brought in by the Kerry camp "in training". For what they don't know. They are staying at the Ramada downtown.
Very interesting indeed. Could these be clipboard warriors? _________________ Pete Fanning
US Navy, DP1, '84-'92
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azpatriot Senior Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah wonder if Kerry is gong to get some help from Wacko Jacko on that one _________________ Proud to be an American! and member of the PAJAMAHADEEN
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't it enough he corrupted the way America looked at our Viet Nam Vets? Now he wants to corrupt our kids? He is sick! And to think parents actually allow their kids to be used like this. He must be getting tips from jacko. |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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If Bush did this, Mikey Moore would be hyperventilating about "Hitler's Youth." Kerry--trotting kids around like human shields, tsk tsk. Considering Kerry's stand on abortion I wonder if he is surprised there are any kids around to be used as photo ops?
BAH! Kids for Kerry! HA! Their parents should be hauled into court on child endangerment charges. |
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John Gault Seaman Recruit
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 35
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:02 am Post subject: |
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http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/kidscoops/story/0,14989,673788,00.html
She spoke the Dems convention _________________ The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles. _ Ayn Rand |
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Sweeney Former Member
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 7 Location: Swingtown
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Kimmymac wrote: | Considering Kerry's stand on abortion |
Pro-life. That's his "choice." |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Nice try, Sweeney from Swingtown. Kerry's "choice" is not pro-life; unless he has flip-flopped again? When did his position change? When he wasspeaking to the Leaque of Catholic Voters?
Swiiingggg, batter batter, swiiiinnggggg...Sweeney... swings....and MISSES. |
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Sweeney Former Member
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 7 Location: Swingtown
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Kimmymac wrote: | Nice try, Sweeney from Swingtown. Kerry's "choice" is not pro-life; unless he has flip-flopped again? When did his position change? When he wasspeaking to the Leaque of Catholic Voters?
Swiiingggg, batter batter, swiiiinnggggg...Sweeney... swings....and MISSES. |
Approached from the other direction, he's pro-choice. And his choice is pro-life. Catholic and all, doncha know. |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:21 am Post subject: |
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That's great, sweeney. Thank you for perfectly articulating Kerry's position wrt abortion. To wit: "I believe life begins at conception but I am pro-abortion because I don't believe a fetus is yet a human being." (As Kerry explained on IMUS recently.)
Actually, Kerry is not alone in this view; there is historical precedent. Adolph Hitler expressed similar views, explaining that gassing Jews wasn't really murder because Jews were "subhuman"--much like Kerry's non-human fetuses, whose human lives began at conception, but aren't yet human.
Or something.
Sweeney from Swingtown. Swingtown? Isn't that a suburb of Dazed and Confused? |
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Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1235 Location: Kansas (Transplanted Texan)
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Ah, mon ami, Sweeney,
http://home.earthlink.net/~kerryflipflop/
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096540/
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU APRIL 22, 2004 17:09:25 ET XXXXX
KERRY ABORTION FLIP: ADVOCATED 'STATE ISSUE'
Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry will attend a rally for women's abortion rights in Washington, DC on Friday.
At the rally, Kerry will ask attendees to join him in the fight by getting involved in his campaign.
But the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal: Kerry claimed in an interview he was "opposed to abortion" and how its an issue "that should be left for the states to decide."
MORE
Kerry told the LOWELL SUN in October, 1972: "...It's a tragic day in the lives of everybody when abortion is looked on as an alternative to birth control or as an alternative to having a child. I think that's wrong. It should be the very last thing if it has to be anything, and I say that not just because I'm opposed to abortion but because I think that's common sense."
BTW, have you read...but, no, you probably don't subscribe to the Sun Valley Online paper.
...maybe this will help you decide whether John Kerry is arrogant and aloof.
Kerry Leaves Local Dems Hanging in Sun Valley
http://www.sunvalleyonline.com/news/article.asp?ID_Article=22
From the Editor: Kerry Volunteers Deserved Better
http://www.sunvalleyonline.com/news/opinion.asp?ID_Opinion=28
Kerry Sets a Record: 14 Flip-Flops in One Speech
Sen. John Kerry set some kind of record today in a speech to his fellow leftists at New York University. The Republican National Committee counted 14 flip-flops on Iraq.
Among the more egregious of the tragicomic whoppers noted:
# Kerry now claims the "most important task" is to win the "war on terrorism." Yet Kerry, speaking to his pets at the New York Times in March, refused to call the war on terror a war, RNC recalled.
Kerry then: "The final victory in the war on terror depends on a victory in the war of ideas, much more than the war on the battlefield. And the war - not the war, I don’t want to use that terminology."
# Kerry now claims Iraq was a "diversion from" the war on terror. On Dec. 15 he said: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror."
# Kerry now claims Saddam Hussein's evil was not enough to justify war. Here's what he said in a speech July 29, 2002:
"I agree completely with this administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq – Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991."
# Kerry now claims Saddam’s "downfall ... has left America less secure." Oopsy: Here's his anti-Dean, anti-Saddam stand in December 2003, according to Newsday:
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture, don’t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president."
# Kerry now claims the decision to go into Iraq was a "colossal" failure. Yet on Aug. 9, Kerry said that had he known then what he knew now, he would still have voted for the use-of-force resolution, according to CNN:
"Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it's the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority, as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively."
# Kerry now claims Saddam was not a "threat to our security." Here's what he said in January 2003, according to the L.A. Times: "If you don't believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."
# Kerry now claims Saddam's "capability to acquire weapons" was not reason enough for war. Yet according to the Congressional Record of Oct. 9, 2002, he called those who would leave the Iraqi dictator alone "naive to the point of grave danger."
And so on and so forth.
At least no one can say Kerry is two-faced. He has so many more faces than that.
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azpatriot Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 593 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Sweeney wrote: | Kimmymac wrote: | Nice try, Sweeney from Swingtown. Kerry's "choice" is not pro-life; unless he has flip-flopped again? When did his position change? When he wasspeaking to the Leaque of Catholic Voters?
Swiiingggg, batter batter, swiiiinnggggg...Sweeney... swings....and MISSES. |
Approached from the other direction, he's pro-choice. And his choice is pro-life. Catholic and all, doncha know. |
I think the evidence shows that Mr. Kerry has no love for babies or abides by the tenents of his faith! This is just a short example of Mr. Kerry's Senate Voting record when it comes to abortion!
He's is not PRO-LIFE
All data collected from Prodject Vote Smart
'Partial-Birth' Abortion Ban - Adoption
Bill Number: S 3
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 10/21/2003
Sponsor: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA
Roll Call Number: 402
Conference Report Adopted
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.
Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion.
S 3 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003
Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion. The procedure would be allowed only in cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger. Those who performed this procedure, would face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable.
(Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA)
Conference Report Adopted 64-34: R 47-3; D 17-30; I 0-1 on 10/21/2003
Bill Status
Bill Number: S 3 108th Congress (2003-2004)
House Passage Vote: 6/4/2003-Outcome: Passed
Senate Passage Vote: 3/13/2003-Outcome: Passed
House Conference Report Vote: 10/2/2003- Outcome: Passed
Senate Conference Report Vote: 10/21/2003- Outcome: Passed
Presidential Action: Signed on 11/05/2003
For further status information, call the Voter's Research Hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART (1-888-868-3762)
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Partial-Birth Abortion Ban-Passage
Bill Number: S 3
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 03/12/2003
Sponsor: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA
Roll Call Number: 0051
Bill passed
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry did not vote.
Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion
S 3 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003
Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure, would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.
(Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA)
Passed 64-33: R 48-3; D 16-29:I 0-1 on 03/12/2003
Bill Status
Bill Number: S3 - 108th Congress (2003-2004)
House Passage Vote: 6/4/2003-Outcome: Passed
Senate Passage Vote: 3/13/2003-Outcome: Passed
House Conference Report Vote: 10/2/2003- Outcome: Passed
Senate Conference Report Vote: 10/21/2003- Outcome: Passed
Presidential Action: Signed on 11/05/2003
For further status information, call the Voter's Research Hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART (1-888-868-3762)
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Fiscal 2001 Defense Auth.-Military Base Abortions
Bill Number: S 2549
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 06/20/2000
Sponsor: Tabling motion sponsored by Hutchinson, R-AR; Amendment sponsored by Murray, D-WA; Bill Sponsored by Warner, R-VA
Roll Call Number: 0134
Tabling motion agreed to
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.
Vote on a motion to table [kill] an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.
S 2549: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001
Vote on a motion to table [kill] an amendment that would repeal the ban on military servicewomen and their dependents using their private funds to obtain abortion services at overseas U.S. military facilities. The House rejected a similar measure 195-221 on 05/18/2000.
(Tabling motion sponsored by Hutchinson, R-AR; Amendment sponsored by Murray, D-WA; Bill Sponsored by Warner, R-VA)
Tabling motion agreed to 50-49: R 48-6; D 2-43 on 06/20/2000
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Late-Term Abortion Ban - Roe v. Wade Decision
Bill Number: S 1692
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 10/21/1999
Sponsor: Amendment sponsored by Harkin, D-IA, bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA
Roll Call Number: 0337
Amendment passed
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.
Vote on a non-binding amendment to express the sense of Congress on the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion.
S 1692: Late-Term Abortion Ban
Vote on a non-binding amendment regarding the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion. A 'yes' vote is in agreement with the statement that the decision was "appropriate," secures "an important constitutional right" and should not be overturned.
Amendment sponsored by Harkin, D-IA, bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA
(Amendment passed 51-47: R 8-44; D 43-2; I 0-1 on 10/21/99)
Bill Status: (As of 12/08/1999)
Bill Number: S 1692 - 106th Congress (1999-2000)
Senate Passage Vote: 10/21/1999 - Outcome: Passed
No further action has been taken on this bill.
For further status information call the Voter's Research Hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART (1-888-868-3762).
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Late-Term Abortion Ban - Passage
Bill Number: S 1692
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 10/21/1999
Sponsor: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA
Roll Call Number: 0340
Bill passed
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.
Vote to pass a bill that would make it a federal crime for a doctor to perform the procedure called "dilation and extraction" by physicians unless the life of the woman was at risk.
S 1692: Late-Term Abortion Ban
Vote to pass a bill that would make it a federal crime for a doctor to perform the procedure called "dilation and extraction" by physicians unless the life of the woman was at risk. The bill would set a penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine for anyone convicted of performing such a procedure. The bill faces a possible veto from President Clinton.
Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA
(Bill passed 63-34: R48-3; D14-31; I 1-0 on 10/21/99)
Bill Status: (As of 12/08/1999)
Bill Number: S 1692 - 106th Congress (1999-2000)
Senate Passage Vote: 10/21/1999 - Outcome: Passed
No further action has been taken on this bill.
For further status information call the Voter's Research Hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART (1-888-868-3762).
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Late-Term Abortion Ban - Table Substitute Amendment
Bill Number: S 1692
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 10/20/1999
Sponsor: Tabling motion sponsored by Santorum, R-PA, Substitute amendment sponsored by Durbin, D-IL, Bill introduced by Santorum, R-PA
Roll Call Number: 0335
Tabling motion passed
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.
Vote on a motion to table [kill] a substitute amendment to a bill that would ban late-term abortions unless the life of the woman was at risk. The substitute would have allowed the procedure if two independent physicians agreed that the woman faced at least "grievous injury."
S 1692: Late-Term Abortion Ban
Vote on a motion to table [kill] a substitute amendment to a bill that would make it a federal crime for a doctor to perform the procedure called "dilation and extraction" unless the life of the woman was at risk. The substitute amendment would loosen the restriction to include cases where two independent physicians agreed that the woman faced at least "grievous injury."
Tabling motion sponsored by Santorum, R-PA, Substitute amendment sponsored by Durbin, D-IL, Bill introduced by Santorum, R-PA
(Tabling motion passed 61-38 on 10/20/99)
Bill Status: (As of 12/08/1999)
Bill Number: S 1692 - 106th Congress (1999-2000)
Senate Passage Vote: 10/21/1999 - Outcome: Passed
No further action has been taken on this bill.
For further status information call the Voter's Research Hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART (1-888-868-3762).
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FY 2000 Defense Auth.--Abortions at Military Hospitals
Bill Number: S 1059
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 05/26/1999
Sponsor: Tabling motion introduced by Smith, R-NH, Amendment introduced by Murray D-WA, Bill introduced by Warner, R-VA
Roll Call Number: 0148
Motion passed
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.
Vote to kill amendment that ends the ban on privately funded abortions in overseas military hospitals.
S 1059: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000
Vote to table or kill an amendment to eliminate the existing ban on privately funded abortions for military personnel and dependents in overseas military hospitals.
Tabling motion introduced by Smith, R-NH, Amendment introduced by Murray D-WA, Bill introduced by Warner, R-VA
(Motion passed 51-49 on 5/26/99)
Bill Status:
Bill Number: S 1059 - 106th Congress (1999-2000)
House Passage Vote: 06/14/1999 - Outcome: Passed
Senate Passage Vote: 05/27/1999 - Outcome: Passed
House Conference Report Vote: 09/15/1999 - Outcome: Passed
Senate Conference Report Vote: 09/22/1999 - Outcome: Passed
Presidential Action: Signed on 10/05/1999
Public Law Number: PL106-65
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Transporting Minors for an Abortion - Cloture
Bill Number: S 1645
Issue: Abortion Issues
Date: 09/22/1998
Sponsor: Bill introduced by Abraham, R-MI.
Roll Call Number: 0282
Cloture motion rejected
Full Member List
Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.
Vote to close further debate on a bill to prohibit the transportation of a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion in order to circumvent parental consent laws.
S 1645: Child Custody Protection Act
Vote on a cloture motion, to close further debate on a bill to prohibit the transportation of a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion in order to circumvent parental consent laws. The bill allows exceptions if the abortion was necessary to save the life of the minor because of a
physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness. The bill does not allow the transported minor or an involved parent to be prosecuted, and would create a defense to the bill's provisions if the person transporting the minor reasonably believed parental or appropriate judicial consent had been obtained. Anyone convicted could be fined up to $100,000, face up to a year in prison, and could be held responsible for civil liability.
Bill introduced by Abraham, R-MI.
(Cloture motion rejected 54-45 on 9/22/98 )
Bill Status:
Bill Number: S 1645 - 105th Congress (1997-98 )
No passage votes have been taking on this bill
No further action was taken on this bill, never became law. _________________ Proud to be an American! and member of the PAJAMAHADEEN
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the back-up, azpatriot and TEWSPilot. I always did love a good snipe hunt, didn't you?
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SHEESH! Where do they get these, uhm, logic-challenged, rational- thought impaired people from? New voting block: SNIPES FOR KERRY. |
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