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[fanningp]

Note to Admin: I expect this to be moved to Geedunk but posted here for temp exposure for a couple of hours......

It bugs me that Kerry is spouting his mouth today about how Bush will bring back the Draft when it's his own party that on January 7, 2003 introduced 2 bills in Congress that are still there sitting in committee for resolution. How does Kerry think he can turn this around into something that is Bush's fault?

H.R. 163 was introduced on 1/7/2003 by Senator Charles Rangel (D-NY).

Almost simultaneously, S. 89 was introduced by Senator Hollings (D-SC).

A CNN online article of Rangle's press conference can be found here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

[CTW]

Thanks for posting this. I couldn't find the link to something Kerry said before about adding some? 40,000? troops. It sounded like a call for a draft. It was over a month ago. In fact, as I think about it, it was his speech at the DNC!!! I was quite upset at the time. Those who have it on their heart to serve should serve and those who don't should not be forced. That was the big problem about Viet Nam.. too many were sent who were not mentally and emotionally prepared to go into battle. I vowed never a draft. After 911, I would have gone and if my son had felt he had to enlist I would of supported his decision.
Any one out there remember the speech or the link to review it.
I was not aware of the 2 bills! Now I am upset again!! CTW

Never Ever Kerry

[CTW]

"I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as President. Let there be no mistake: I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security. And I will build a stronger American military.

We will add 40,000 active duty troops, not in Iraq, but to strengthen American forces that are now overstretched, overextended, and under pressure. We will double our special forces to conduct anti-terrorist operations. And we will provide our troops with the newest weapons and technology to save their lives and win the battle. And we will end the backdoor draft of National Guard and reservists.

To all who serve in our armed forces today, I say, help is on the way." Quoted from Kerry's DNC Speech

found the text. What do you military guys think? Thanks.CTW

Never Ever Kerry

[Anker-Klanker]

He's all over the map again. Not only is he going to increase the Armed Forces by 40,000, but remember he has castigated GWB for not being "tough" with North Korea (and how's he going to do that if not by threat of force, I wonder). Neither is necessarily a bad idea -- taken on their own -- but how? Kerry of course, doesn't say.

His appeal to the tooth fairy to get more allies involved in Iraq, plus his draft statement today, is clearly designed to appeal to the young voters (and their parents). Nothing more, nothing less.

Why can't people see through this malarky? And remember Kerry screaming a few weeks ago about how reprehensible it was to scare the voters?

[fanningp]

I have been emailing the text of my original post everywhere I have been and to everyone I know. I emailed all the local GOP offices to make sure they get the word out to the local college campuses. Here in WI the local voter registration drives are so loose and the rules so vague that the liberals are out in full force and I know are going to be spreading this crap.

There should be flyers printed with the truth so that students KNOW who exactly submitted these bills.

I've emailed Hannity, Rush, my local talking heads...forget the print media...their liberal rags.

Can you tell I'm passionate this go'round?
_________________
Pete Fanning
US Navy, DP1, '84-'92
http://peterepublic.org

[Boundless]

The Kerry camp coordinators have fired up a series of
scare ads on the draft. As is usual for "progressives",
they are accusing their opponents of what they secretly
plan.

Before getting to the details, it's important to
note that this issue is not primarily about a
military draft, it's about National Service.
Stealing two years from every life, then 3, and
why stop there ...

And National Service is less about service than
about indoctrinating the slaves by controlling
the agenda of the approved forms of service.

But make no mistake about it, if Kerry is elected,
they'll also need a draft to meet military
manpower requirements, because voluntary enlistments
and re-enlistments will drop to near zero.

The only bills submitted are by Democrats.
One of them, HR 163, bears the title:
"Universal National Service Act of 2003"
it includes the provision:
"...or a period of civilian service in furtherance
of the national defense and homeland
security, and for other purposes."

... and for other purposes ...

Involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery, doing
whatever bidding the ruling class prescribes.

Although Kerry and Edwards are on the campaign
trail promising to oppose a draft, they in fact
support universal national service, but are hiding
that. And you already know what a Kerry promise
or position is worth.

Where have they been on this issue?

Kerry has removed a page, formerly at:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice
and still referenced by dissidents at:
http://www.comdsd.org/article_archive/JustasUrgent.htm

"(II) A MANDATORY HIGH SCHOOL SERVICE REQUIREMENT.
As President, John Kerry will ensure that every
high school student in America does community
service as a requirement for graduation. . . ."

The current K+E National Service is more watered down:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_service/
Apparently, the older position was too honest.

And Edwards? Go see:
http://www.senate.gov/~edwards/issues/educ/service.html

Expect exemptions for the children of rich politicians.

The Selective Service System is already in place, and
could be reactivated in the event of some unforseen
emergency. If Kerry is defeated, the SSS, unneeded
since Vietnam, is most likely to remain right where it
is today - dormant.

[Harley90]

My brother sits on the draft board......there hasn't been any talk about a draft....

[Boundless]

> My brother sits on the draft board...
>...there hasn't been any talk about a draft....

Exactly.
And if Kerry is defeated, nothing's going to change.

The truly sinister thing here is not just that Kerry is
posturing as the knight who will slay this straw man ...

... it's actually the case that if he wins, he will implement
what he's claiming to oppose.

He will implement it both because he wants to
(universal service), and because he'll have to
(collapse of the volunteer military).

[Harley90]

If (and it is a BIG if, the draft were to be reinstated) there have been changes made.

Now, knowing for a fact there haven't been any meetings for over 6 months of those who sit on the board. If it were to come to be, the CCR song would have no merit. No one would get a free ride...unless he was an only son and the age for the first to go has been changed.

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no,

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no.

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one.

[tiptie]

I say that we pull out ALL of our troops from the old NATO countries like Germany.

The Cold War is over. Germany can tend to itself.

As Bush has proposed.

We may need a few bases for strategic launching points to hot spots but we have new friends that we could use in some of the old Soviet bloc countries.

When Bush proposed this shifting of troops out of old Europe, that slimy Kerry whined.

I just can't stand that man.................

[Paul Woll]

Great topic for a new commercial....

Kerry accuses Bush of wanting to implement a draft while his own party members are submitting bills to Congress to do this exact thing...

This needs to be exposed in a commercial, to counter the false spam, and to expose Kerry and his party for the dirty tricks that he supports.

-Paul

[lonevoice]

[redneckvet]

"Whiskey" over at Cpt. Qtrs has a good take on this subject. DNC is using this as a scare tactic for the college age.

[CTW]

So glad this has finally come to the forefront. I sounded like an alarmist after the DNC speech. Thank you all for the links to the Bills and Edwards. As Americans who believe in service to others, we get led down the garden path and our willingness to do good works used against us. I encourage my highschooler (last of 3) to do some community service but did not know that monies to the schools were attached to it, And now we see the next step is mandatory service either military or to homeland security. Mandatory anything is to challenged. And as I said before just follow the content of the attacks by the left/dems and you know what THEY are doing... a roadmap. Projection at its worst.
Please send emails,etc to Hannity and everyone to get these proposed bills in the media FAST!! Contact any young people and their families that you can. Thanks CTW

Never Ever Kerry

[Boundless]

> And now we see the next step is mandatory service
> either military or to homeland security.

Read HR 163 again: "... and for other purposes ..."

There are no limits on what the servitude might be,
but you can be sure that only politically correct tasks
will be authorized, and monitored to assure that the
subject is learning the desired lessons.

Folks, we have here a case of the
"Reverse Big Lie"

Not only is the "secret Bush draft" a lie,
the truth is a secret Kerry draft.

Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
But then we knew that about Kerry.