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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ARE seeing the howls of protest and screams because it's ALL about W!

Haven't you heard? The memos are fake, but accurate. They are screaming that from the mountaintops!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swiftsocks wrote:
Sleepless......I would surely appreciate any links to Lucy and the Nuestra Clinica del Valle. Call me silly....but I smell a link here.


Well...here are the links again - are you saying any "further" links?

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Could this Lucy Ramirez of Mission, TX (about 300 miles from the Houston rodeo where Burkett says he first got the phony docs) and director of Nuestra Clinica del Valle (or perhaps the Mission Family Health Center - not sure the chronology of these) & on the Board of Directors of The Texas Association of Community Health Centers (TACHC) http://www.tachc.org/About/Welcome/Board.asp be the one that Burkett claims is his source for the documents? I wonder what it will be like for the next couple of weeks if you're named Lucy Ramirez and you live in TX?

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hivstd/commsvcs/service_m.htm
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http://www.tachc.org/About/Membership/Member_Directory/NCV.asp
& this link that shows a Lucy Ramirez referred to on Texas Democrat Congressman Ruben Hinojosa's website! "...all brought together by Ms. Ramirez. With her unique brand of diplomacy skills and fundraising ability, she could have a great career in politics!"
http://hinojosa.house.gov/news/speech.cfm?id=198
& another link from Hinojosa's website:
http://hinojosa.house.gov/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=392
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: Mystery solved.. Reply with quote

These messages were transmitted to Burkette's brain as he watched "I Love Lucy". He changed the last name to protect the source.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, thank to the Swift Boat Veterans - the last ad "Friends" is simply devastating.

My question is simple: Why hasn't CBS issued a retraction of the 60 Minutes story?

They have admitted that they can not verify the documents, and have basically cast their source as a lunatic (oh, sorry, I guess the source is now actually the exceedingly elusive "Lucy"). Without valid documents, there is no story. It should be retracted, and an apology should be issued directly to President Bush.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Roger Stone? Reply with quote

From the DNC website:
McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
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Sep 21, 2004
McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?

Washington, D.C. - In response to false Republican accusations regarding the CBS documents, Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued this statement:

“In today’s New York Post, Roger Stone, who became associated with political ‘dirty tricks’ while working for Nixon, refused to deny that he was the source the CBS documents.

“Will Ed Gillespie or the White House admit today what they know about Mr. Stone’s relationship with these forged documents? Will they unequivocally rule out Mr. Stone’s involvement? Or for that matter, others with a known history of dirty tricks, such as Karl Rove or Ralph Reed?”


Here's the Post link:
http://www.nypost.com/commentary/30555.htm

Now THIS really strains credulity!!!

We already know that Burkett, a Bush-hater, is the source for the forged documents, and that CBS asked him to call the Kerry campaign. If Burkett had called the Kerry campaign, if any Republican were the source of the forged documents, the Kerry campaign would obviously have told Burkett not to trust him!

Besides, if some GOP activist had wanted to plant false documents, why would he go through Burkett, and not give the documents directly to CBS? Would a GOP activist trust Burkett? Why take the risk that Burkett would detect a fraud, then tell ALL the media, not just CBS, that a fraud had been committed? And if a GOP activist had passed false documents to Burkett, why isn't Burkett himself blaming someone (other than Lucy Ramirez) to save his own skin?

Besides, CBS defended the authenticity of the documents for 12 days before finally caving to outside pressure. Why would some GOP activist, shortly after the RNC, with the President ahead in the polls, take the risk that CBS would blast away at the President until the election based on a fraud?

Face it, Terry McAuliffe--this was a Democrat operation. Whether it had connections to the Kerry campaign or only to Texas Democrats remains to be seen, but the Republicans have nothing to do with this--they just stood by their man!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psyydoc wrote:
First of all, thank to the Swift Boat Veterans - the last ad "Friends" is simply devastating.

My question is simple: Why hasn't CBS issued a retraction of the 60 Minutes story?

They have admitted that they can not verify the documents, and have basically cast their source as a lunatic (oh, sorry, I guess the source is now actually the exceedingly elusive "Lucy"). Without valid documents, there is no story. It should be retracted, and an apology should be issued directly to President Bush.


Well now...isn't that the question! It ain't over till the fat lady sings - and she's apparently not on stage yet....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the NBC local news here in DC last night they showed the protesters at CBS headquarters in NYC - Maybe it was some of our crew here - they were holding up signs like the 'Unfit for Command' cover of the book but instead it had Rather on it and said 'Unfit to Report.' Hilarious. It was a small group, and usually groups that size that are protesting NEVER get media coverage, especially not local to them. Good job.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That IS hilarious! Figures it got NO coverage! I would of loved to have seen that! Just sent my 4th donation to this wonderful website - keep up the GREAT work! Love those ads!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been away last 2 days and just now catching up on news. I checked
on links that "Sleepless" passed along and with those ties to Reuben Hinajosa, there is just more than meets the eye. I've followed every possible blogg link, but not much is coming up yet.

What keeps my interested is this time line. According to Burkett, he got the docs. from either Lucy Ramirez or the man at the rodeo. This was in
March. He says the then made copies and "burned the originals". LOL !
I'm not buying that one.

On Aug. 21, there was some contact with CBS....then Aug. 26 was the day
Max Clelland showed up at the Bush ranch in Crawford Tx. with the entire press copr following behind.

On Sept 8, Dan Rather breaks this story...and sometime in between, Mary
Mapes makes a call to Joe Lockhardt.

Having said all this....my questions would be :

1. How did Burkett get Max Clellands cell phone number ?
2. How can Lockhardt possibly not discuss the documents with Burkett ?
3. And most importantly....were the documents "altered" or "completely
forged".

My thought is why would someone alter the documents ? The only reason
I can think of is to "change the content" of the documents. I hoping the
Whitehouse already knows when all this happened and who made it happen and is just letting them step in and rub it all over before pulling the plug.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swiftsocks wrote:
I've been away last 2 days and just now catching up on news. I checked
on links that "Sleepless" passed along and with those ties to Reuben Hinajosa, there is just more than meets the eye. I've followed every possible blogg link, but not much is coming up yet.

1. How did Burkett get Max Clellands cell phone number ?
2. How can Lockhardt possibly not discuss the documents with Burkett ?


re: 1: Excellent - how was Burkett getting these phone numbers? Lockhardt (arrogantly admitted calling Burkett at Mapes insistence acting as he said it like it was not big deal! To suggest that there is connection between campaign and docs is "baseless." Oh really now?! Just too many pieces fitting perfectly into the DNC conspiracy puzzle here to be "just" coincidence. Not only did the Dems do this but they are HATING LIFE right now cause they essentially got caught and have nuetralized (already phony) charges against Bush's ANG record. This opens up Kerry to further erosion along the credibility and leadership lines all the more as the Swifties keep after him and on the truth. But those phone numbers - further proof of coordination between Kerry camp, Mapes and CBS lead source Burkett.

re: 2: Can you imagine Lockhardt talking with Burkett (he probably couldn't deny it (or he would have) due to cell phone records) for 4 minutes on the minutae of how to deal with the attacks on Kerry's Viet Nam debacle and not bringing up these "scathing" documents that could have (if they'd been done 'right' and marketed properly by the MSM (we know they would have lapdoggedly done their part if they could have) distracted people from Kerry's lies.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL....was that before or after his grand mal siezure ?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Woll wrote:
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“I didn’t forge anything,” Burkett said. “I didn’t fake any documents. The only thing I’ve done here is to transfer documents from people I thought were real to people I thought were real. And that has been the limitation of my role. I may have been a patsy.”


Anyone else notice that Burkett apparently has imaginary friends?... "People I THOUGHT
were Real". This means clearly, that he no longer thinks these people are real anymore.


This sounds like Burkett is another "A Beautiful Mind", secret document hand offs, imaginary friends.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny editorial cartoon here, re: Rather, DNC & Burkett:

http://lucianne.com/routine/editors.asp
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burkett has an interesting comment today:

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During a single phone conversation with Lockhart, Burkett said he suggested a “couple of concepts on what I thought (Kerry) had to do” to beat Bush. In return, he said, Lockhart tried to “convince me as to why I should give them the documents.” [emphasis added]


http://www.rathergate.com/index.php?p=217
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kerry talking point revelations overload alert.
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