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Geano
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: July 1968-November 1968 Reply with quote

Several threads going on Kerry's Service timeline...breaking out one segment:
Kerry at San Diego from 22 July 1968 to (?) of November 1968? [/b

Coincidences?

[i][b]... from the FBI files on VVAW :


In August of 1968, C. James Boggio appeared at an open meeting of the Socialist Workers Party and spoke of his trip to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and the demonstrations in which he participated...

From the LA Sept 8 1970 FBI Valley Forge peace march report:
Oct 2, 1968 March and rally in San Francisco, Calif: Speaker Gen. Hugh Hester

FBI Memo November 11, 1968
October 27, 1968 "C. James Boggio" A letter stating "join me in a revolution”…Having served as coordinator of (VVAW) for the past year...and participated in the Chicago Uprisings..." letter calls for meeting to "revigorate" VVAW on November 3, 1968.
Lists return address in LA "c/o Marcia Silverstein"

Kerry was ordered to report to SEA on October 31, 1968

Same memo:
Boggio proposes renaming and remodeling VVAW as “GI’s and Vietnam Veterans Against the War” and breaking with the “moribund Vets for Peace” because they were “veterans of bow-and-arrow wars.” “None of them senile World War I vets at this meeting, nosirree!”

November 3 1968 meeting came off as scheduled according to other information and GI-VVAW was formed.

November 17, 1968: Kerry reports to SEA…18 days late.

GI’s-VVAW messed around for about a year, stirring stuff up in the area, and, according to the FBI, appears to have been infiltrated by the “Youth Socialist Alliance” of the “Socialist Worker’s Party” and by August 8, 1969, GI’s-VVAW vanished from the scene.

So does Boggio. He was last reported as being in Denver Colorado. I am unable to trace him at all, and apparently FBI couldn’t either. There are several redacted areas in some of the memos where Boggio is mentioned in this time frame (summer-fall 1969).

Interesting conclusions could be drawn…anybody got anything factual relating to these curious coincidences?

As I edit this our hero is speaking live on MSM, (11:12 AM Eastern time, 24 SEP 2004) and just spoke of improving airport security, etc. Another coincidence:??? American International Group supposedly is in charge of insuring, among other things, over half our airports....AIG can be linked to Colliers, and other interests of Kerry, and can be directly linked to at least two 'minor' scandals in the Boston Ma area involving Kerry...(the tunnel, and a paid 'vacation' trip.)
but I digress....
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Kerry in San Diego Reply with quote

That would probably be his time training for Swifts, it was a nine week school that started every other week.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that's when he was there for Swiftboat training...several threads on boards here, and other sites, wondering where Kerry was, what he was doing between his ordered report date to SEA of 10-31 and actual report date of Nov 17...lots of VVAW and other activity in San Diego /LA /Frisco areas in that 1968 time frame.

I was speculating on possibility that Kerry, while in area for training, got involved w/ VVAW BEFORE going on his 4 1/2 month adventure... and also possiblity that this Boggio might pop up later along with the Hubbards and Crumbs and Rocks, etc in the later incarnation of VVAW.

Reading the FBI docs, I became curious about Boggio, since he just vanishes. I ran across 'Baggio', or 'Boggia', or 'Baggia', (I just don't feel like looking it up, but it's not "Boggio") having something to do with investments/real estate (?) that seemed to have a tenuous connection to some of Kerry's friends/interests/investments in the Boston area. Don't remember the exact reference...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geano wrote:
Yeah, that's when he was there for Swiftboat training...several threads on boards here, and other sites, wondering where Kerry was, what he was doing between his ordered report date to SEA of 10-31 and actual report date of Nov 17... ...


I have been wondering about these 17 days for a while too and ended up
assuming that perhaps this was no big deal for those reporting into 'theater' vs
reporting into a non combat location where this would have been an issue.
Can someone shed some light on this please.

-"A good sleuth always questions coincidince"
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the USAF, we were assigned a 'port call' to fly out...often there were slippages...I had two delays after my original orders, and was AFI status for about 6 weeks or something, and then another delay after finally getting to Travis AFB...I think my arrival in SEA was 5 or 6 days later than my 2nd "report by" date, and then I had another 4 day delay awaiting transportation from Bangkok to assignment...
This could be part of Kerry's missing time...A buddy and I spent the Travis delay having a ball in Frisco...and a similar brief vacation in Bangkok.
I just was wondering if Kerry was playing VVAW...or off in TJ... or... .

Whatever, in some fashion, for some reason, I think he must have exceeded his 'travel time' limits, or they would not have charged him with leave days from Nov 9th-12th (are those the right dates???) They were good about that instead of charging us AWOL...Don't remember for sure, but 10 or 14 days transit time from Mississippi-SEA comes to mind, originally...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veeeerrryyy interesting. Makes sense to me, fits with his overall history, explains why he wanted to get in and out of 'Nam asap (other than to save his skin and further his career aspirations), and how he just slipped into a leadership role in VVAW so quickly upon return.

I bet SWBFT/VVFT won't/can't spend a lot of time on this tack right now (need to stay focused), but after he's been denied CIC role this could be worthy of a very indepth look to fully vidicate our vets and protect current military from his tentacles.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at his Security Clearance and in particular look at questions 1 and 2.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Security_Clearances.pdf

Notice how it leaves the impression that both could have been marked. One box completely colored in, the other one with a check mark. Ordinarily this would be noted as just a mistake but it happens not once, but twice. Same questions but the second one has all of the answers marked with a typed X except 1 and 2.





Question: Why does Kerry need a Top Secret Security Clearance?
Question: Did others in similar positions have this same clearance?

Why does the document say undated toward the center of the doc?

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