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Steve Z Rear Admiral
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 687 Location: West Hartford CT
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: Ad about Early Withdrawal? Rassmussen Reports |
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Perspectives%20on%20Iraq%20Sept%2027.htm
According to Rasmussen Reports:
"September 27, 2004--Most Americans (54%) favor leaving U.S. soldiers in Iraq until that country's political situation is stabilized. A Rasmussen Reports survey of 1,000 Likely Voters found that 31% are opposed to that policy.
The survey also found that most American voters believe it will take a lengthy period of time for Iraq to reach political stability. In fact, 60% of voters say it will take at least three years (including 27% who say that goal will take more than five years to accomplish)."
(end quote from Rasmussen)
This poll seems to show that an ad about Kerry's recommendations before the Senate (in 1971) for early withdrawal from Vietnam, followed the disastrous consequences, followed by Kerry's 2004 call for withdrawing the troops within 6 months, could be EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE.
If Kerry is in favor of something opposed by 54% of the voters, (and only favored by 31%), AND his previous track record in that domain is shown to be disastrous, he loses the election, pure and simple. Give Bush 54% and split the undecided, and Bush wins a landslide.
SBVT must show the electorate that Kerry is the "cut and run" candidate.
IMHO, THIS is the issue that could sink Kerry for good!!! A 23% difference on this issue is way outside the margin of error for any "scientific" poll. Could an ad like this be run shortly after the first debate, just in case Kerry scores any points during the first "foreign policy" debate? _________________ The traitor will crater! |
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noc PO1
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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People seeing this ad will make the connection and understand the danger in Kerry is that history would repeat itself. |
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rekcutt Ensign
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 68 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: ad approach |
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It is my view that the SBV4T have successfully portrayed Kerry's military service and his anti-war activities to the point that anyone wishing to know about Kerry's history - knows it.
So additional commercials covering that period are probably a waste of resources. BUT, to my knowledge - no one has successfully brought Kerry's how current BS impacts on our brave service personnel.
Therefore, I feel it is time for the SBV4T to develop a commercial (with their excellent "been there" perspective) using troops currently 'in country" - or those that have recently returned. If guard and reservist can be used it is doublely effect - since Kerry considers them as "not serving".
He not only provided aid and comfort to our enemies to in the 70's - thereby damaging our morale - but he is doing the same to our sons and daughters TODAY. _________________ SwiftVets, keep up the GREAT work, truth will win out over spin. |
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MAXX Ensign
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 68
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:34 am Post subject: MAXX |
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This is GREAT DATA ..
folks, we need to distribute this info to like minded groups. I forwarded it to the Club for Growth (www.clubforgrowth.org) and Progress for America. The former org created the "Wetahervain" ad point Kerry as open to any suggestion from "wherever the wind blows"
this data might SINK KERRY finally. The record of Sen. Kerry as on "uniltateral withdrawal" is disastrous. More than 3m people of South Vietname suffered paid with their lives becuase of policis advocated by him and the loonie left. Now he wants to repeat his adolescent performance but this time on Iraq..
Today, France and Germany confirmed they are not even willing to send troops to Iraq if Mr. Kerry gets elected.. It's time to tell it as it is : Mr. Kerry's record on "TROOP WITHDRAWAL" is a catastrophy. It must not be repeated !!
keep the faith
MAXX (from Austria) |
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sixdogteam Seaman
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 183 Location: Upper Wabash River Valley
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:34 am Post subject: |
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LInking Kerry's 70's anti-war activities with his positions today on Iraq is a valid and telling message... _________________ HHC 212th CAB MMAF RVN '70-'71 |
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JROTC Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 83 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Maxx:
Your comment, "Now he wants to repeat his adolescent performance but this time on Iraq.. " is right on.
We didn't lose the major battles in Vietnam and haven't in Iraq. People have to start realizing what it is we're dealing with, and let the adults stay in charge. What we are facing today is too important for "politics" to attempt to take charge. It's too important ... _________________ "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it" - General Douglas MacArthur |
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fortdixlover Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 1476
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Ad about Early Withdrawal? Rassmussen Reports |
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Steve Z wrote: | This poll seems to show that an ad about Kerry's recommendations before the Senate (in 1971) for early withdrawal from Vietnam, followed the disastrous consequences, followed by Kerry's 2004 call for withdrawing the troops within 6 months, could be EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE. |
Yes, short glimpses of piles of skulls in Cambodia would be quite effective during the ad.
A google image search on "cambodia skulls" brings up plenty more.
Let's keep the defense of this country strong so this does not end being a picture of US.
-- FDL |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Ad about Early Withdrawal? Rassmussen Reports |
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fortdixlover wrote: | Steve Z wrote: | This poll seems to show that an ad about Kerry's recommendations before the Senate (in 1971) for early withdrawal from Vietnam, followed the disastrous consequences, followed by Kerry's 2004 call for withdrawing the troops within 6 months, could be EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE. |
Yes, short glimpses of piles of skulls in Cambodia would be quite effective during the ad.
A google image search on "cambodia skulls" brings up plenty more.
Let's keep the defense of this country strong so this does not end being a picture of US.
-- FDL |
oh! that's gross! ........... it should do the trick! It sure would for me! _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged. |
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igor Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Ad about Early Withdrawal? Rassmussen Reports |
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Stevie wrote: | fortdixlover wrote: | Steve Z wrote: | This poll seems to show that an ad about Kerry's recommendations before the Senate (in 1971) for early withdrawal from Vietnam, followed the disastrous consequences, followed by Kerry's 2004 call for withdrawing the troops within 6 months, could be EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE. |
Yes, short glimpses of piles of skulls in Cambodia would be quite effective during the ad.
A google image search on "cambodia skulls" brings up plenty more.
Let's keep the defense of this country strong so this does not end being a picture of US.
-- FDL |
oh! that's gross! ........... it should do the trick! It sure would for me! |
Have audio of Kerry saying only 3,000 people would die if we withdraw.
Then Voice Over: You were wrong... and 2,000,000 million people were slaughtered. |
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Steve Z Rear Admiral
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 687 Location: West Hartford CT
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: Rasmussen Poll on Iraq |
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Perspectives%20on%20Iraq%20Sept%2029.htm
Another Rasmussen poll about voters' choices between "Finishing Iraq Mission" and "Bringing Home Troops ASAP", which sampled not only what voters want, but what voters believe the candidates would do.
What Voters Want:
Finish Iraq Mission 52%
Bring Troops Home ASAP 42%
What Voters think Bush would do:
Finish Iraq Mission 66%
Bring Troops Home ASAP 17%
What Voters think Kerry would do:
Finish Iraq Mission 18%
Bring Troops Home ASAP 64%
Although Kerry might change his position in tomorrow's debate (he's done THAT before!!!), right now voters overwhelmingly believe that Kerry would "cut and run" while Bush would finish the mission, and what voters WANT is to finish the mission by a 10-point margin.
If there's enough money left, another SBVT ad that replays Kerry's 1971 recommendation of withdrawing the troops from Vietnam, the disastrous consequences (those shelves full of skulls would be devastating), followed by Kerry's 2004 declaration that he would withdraw from Iraq within 6 months could sink Kerry for good.
Voters ALREADY believe Kerry would cut and run--by showing the results of his previous "cut and run" tactics, that 10-point margin on the first question could increase, and Kerry would have a tough time winning on other issues. _________________ The traitor will crater! |
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