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We know it, but we can't prove it - J. PEDER ZANE
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Stevie
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cipher wrote:

And when you come down to it, do you REALLY want to stake your journalistic reputation on someone who taped their dogtags together so they wouldn't rattle on secret missions while driving a boat with TWO V12 480-horsepower turbocharged General Motors Detroit marine diesel engines running?

Did he tell you about his CIA hat? Ask him next time you see him.

Oh, puh-leeze!


I just love your responses!

I think Zane should be asked 'What 'fact' does Rood's version debunk?'
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Rdtf
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a little info on Raleigh news and observer's parent

http://www.mcclatchy.com/about/
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Wynne
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 2 threads going on this topic.

This is what I posted to the thread, 'Debunking Claims, J Peder Zane'

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10915

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I know for a fact the Raleigh N&O is biased toward the Democratic party. It was founded by a Democratic stalwart, Josephus Daniels, owned and published by the Daniels family until it was sold a few years ago to McClatchey News. When I worked there I used to watch the Executive Editor (my direct boss) tell people off in person and on the phone who disagreed with the Dem Party line. He would reject their views out of hand. He would call them names behind their back, thought they were all nuts. However,to be fair, he said if somebody could come up with direct evidence contrary to his beliefs and put it in front of him, he would look at it. But how rare is that? I never saw it happen.

As Peder Zane says, The N&O takes whatever it reads in The NYT, Boston Globe, Washington Post and Dallas Morning News as its 'authority' -- take it or leave it.

LW did a great job of 'educating' Peder Zane. I hope he reads that letter and doesn't just put it in the recycling file.
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dcrhere
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said this in another thread, but:

The best way for the Swifties to "debunk the debunkers" is to post a $100,000 prize for anyone genuinely debunking the claims.

Use beldar's criteria as a fencepost. Make a news story out of it.

And it would give a terrific one-liner to respond to all the drive-by "debunkers," namely, "If the Swifties are lying, Skippy, why don't you go get that 100 grand?"

Make them prove it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might ask Zane, or Rood, about the combat "V" on his Silver Star.

The one that the Navy acknowledges does not exist, either on Kerry's medal or any other, since they do not issue such an award.
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