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subsailor 2 · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:24 am Post subject: Caught by the camera

If you look at the picture of Kerry in his fatigues with ribbons (testimony to the Senate, April 71) you will note that there are two dark ribbons, lower right and lower middle. They are the rifle and pistol markesmanship awards. Not only is there no paperwork on these two awards, he has them in the wrong precedence. By no paperwork I mean there should be a letter in his record authorizing their wear and they should also be mentioned on either the DD214 of 1/70 or the DD215.

Johnny was a bad boy!

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Geano · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject:

Hmmm...a minor point, maybe...I was USAF, and received the SAEMR during basic training....it's on my DD214....we also had to requalify prior to SEA tour. Only thing I see on Kerry's is NDSM awarded on his first DD214, prior to accepting comission in Dec. Wouldn't he have done SA quals during basic/OCS???...or maybe he failed to requalify prior to Gridley/and or at Swift Boat school?
Does he wear the Small Movie Camera Expert Aimer Ribbon also??
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JN173 · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject:

He obviously didn't qualify with the M-79. Wink

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Stevie · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject:

I think I saw pictures of him wearing the movie camera award!

Maybe he'll wear it again tonight for the debate? !
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William · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:04 am Post subject:

Kerry's ribbon rack in the congressional testimony/fatigues photo shows:

Top row: Silver Star, Bronze Star w/ V
Second row: PH w/ 2 stars, Combat Action, Presidental Unit Citation
Third row: Unit Commendation, National Defence, Vietnam Svc. w/ 2 stars
Bottom row: RVN Gallantry Cross, RVN Civic Action, RVN Campaign

All authorized, few earned!

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subsailor 2 · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:15 am Post subject: I stand by my comments

I stand by my comments. Kerry is wearing two unauthorized awards.

If you look at a blow up of Kerry in front of congress you will see that the first dark ribbon on Kerry's lower right has three light stripes. This is the rifle marksmanship award. The ribbon next to it has two light stripes which is the pistol marksmanship award.

Kerry did earn unit level awards of the Vienamese Cross of Gallantry and the Civil Actions Medal but note that they show up on the 2001 DD215. In addition both awards would have a gold frame around the ribbon and the VCG would have a bronze palm in the center. Finally, the VCG is red with a large gold area inthe center that would show up quite well.

I can supply a good picture that shows what I am referring to if you care to PM me or I can figure out how to post it. I can also supply a picture of yours truly where you can see the contrast between the pistol award and the VCG. The distinction is quite clear even in B/W.

As an aside, he also has them on in the picture where he is getting the Bronze Star. I believe that he is wearing a Navy Unit Commendation in that picture also (I just noticed this point) which had not been awarded when the picture was taken. The NUC was approved in October 1970 and the picture was taken during the summer of 1970.

To answer another question - Kerry did not qualify at OCS. They only do pistol there and there is no letter in his officer jacket which is where they put it (voice of experience here - been there and done that). He probably had another shot at it during swift boat training in San Diego but again where are the letters that should be in his officer's jacket. Until I see the letters, he didn't earn those awards.

The purpose behind the original post is to show a pattern of behavior on Kerry's part that validates the SBVT claims about the other awards especially the first and third Purple Hearts.

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Had he put even half the effort he put into creating this illusion of himself into doing something worthwhile, he may have turned out to be a halfway descent human being. Man, talk about misguided. He is such a perfect example!!!

William · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject:

Subsailor 2 is dead on, smack @$$ on the money... This could be BIG!

I put together Kerry's "correct" ribbon rack at this site: http://usmedals.com/ribbons2.html?s=&p=&id_medals=0818WB771173

When compaired with the poor res photo I had, it looked like a good match.

BUT, look at this higher quality photo here:

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/images/day3/01.htm

It's harder to make out in his bronze star presentation photo, but I agree that your interpretation is correct here also:

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/images/day2/02.htm

Great catch subsailor 2, KERRY IS CLEARLY WEARING UNAUTHORIZED MEDALS. He is busted, and it was right before us all the time!

Burkett (is that the author of Stolen Valor) will LOVE this. Thanks for hanging in there and making me look this again subsailor 2!!!!

3rd gen Navy · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:11 am Post subject:

Kerry is CLEARLY out of uniform!

Not only are both my expert pistol and rifleman medals cited on my DD214, but the documentation to back up the combat "V" I received with them is clearly spelled out...
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