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Nathanyl
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This president has left them in shatters across the globe, and we're now 90 percent of the casualties in Iraq and 90 percent of the costs.
Translation we have no allies
I know I can do a better job in Iraq. I have a plan to have a summit with all of the allies, something this president has not yet achieved, not yet been able to do to bring people to the table.
But a little further down we're gonna meet with these allies we don't have.
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ProudMilitaryWifeDaughter
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I think if I was a voter I would of left when he said
| Quote: | I have never waviered  |
What a straight out lie, no I have never waviered is Bush's claim not Kerrys
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Me#1You#10
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| Steve Z wrote: | | Somebody had better get over on cnn.com and vote for Bush |
Steve...
We'll cede the "online polls" to McAwful and his legions of moonbat poll stuffers.
We'll settle for an overwhelming drubbing of the FRAUD on Nov. 2. |
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hanna
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| Inatizzy wrote: | | Kerry alienated about 1/3 of his base tonight by saying he would absolutely stay the course in Iraq |
But that will not translate into lost votes for Kerry nor will it translate into votes for Bush. In fact those people will still vote for him because he is for other things that they are for. |
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Tex
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Ugh. The media is driving me crazy! Truthfully, the debate was probably a draw, maybe one candidate came out a little ahead of the other. Probably depends on who you're voting for.
But the way the media is spinning it, you'd think Kerry was the real JFK. I know it's no secret that the MSM is liberal, but my goodness! It's sickening. 
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Shore
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| Quote: | | Kerry may of sounded good tonight but what will happen is people will isolate all his inconsistancys he said tonight and its going to come crashing down on him |
I don't think they will bother to check. I also don't think the core peace-nics will abandon Kerry even though they hate his position, they hate W more.
Maybe the people turned it off early and if so that would help W. I hope so. |
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JCBoston
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| ProudMilitaryWifeDaughter wrote: | | Kerry may of sounded good tonight but what will happen is people will isolate all his inconsistancys he said tonight and its going to come crashing down on him. |
Thats the whole problem. You would be absolutely right if you were talking about President Bush, but what you are talking about will not happen to Kerry. The liberal press will not do that to their candidate. we will pick Kerry's garbage clean here, but it definately won't happen in the press.
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fortdixlover
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| bach04 wrote: | | just talked to some friends of mine who are either undecided or independents, and all of them agreed that the debate was at the most a tie for Kerry. Certainly, this is bad news for him given that he needed a homerun. |
That is quite true. George can afford a tie; Kerry cannot.
As you might know, less and less people will watch #2 and #3, especially since the debates are so boring in general, even to this observer.
So, what Kerry gets from this debate is likely all he'll ever get - and it isn't much as evidenced by the AOL poll, AOL being the bastion of liberalism (anyone looked at thos funny room names in AOL 'CB simulator' chat area lately?)
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GiveMeFreedom
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| flagreen wrote: |
The more people think about what Kerry actually said the better. |
flagreen, I think you are right, the more I think about it, and the lies Kerry told, the better I'm feeling. I'm just worried about the "swing" voters take on this. 
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Paul R.
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I'm more in agreement with what Bush said, but think he missed some opportunities. Like about the new bunker busting bombs, and not making the point that the N. Koreans are NOT "reasonable" people. Negotiations with such have to be backed up with VERY large sticks... Kerry made a huge mistake on that one (and would - God help us!)
Also Bush did not make the point strongly enough that Osama is only a tiny piece of the problem -- we will be fighting such forever unless we can somehow effect change in the Middle East.
Too many "uh's" for Bush, too...
We all just gotta keep talking to everyone we can.
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bach04
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| four-niner delta wrote: | | I'm 100% Bush, but I believe it was a lot closer than I wanted it to be. Bush looked tired as he spent a good part of the day touring the hurricane damage in Florida. Kerry again went after Bush rather than stating what he would actually do in Iraq that would be different from the President. Bush seemed to hold back too much-there were a number of areas he could have nailed Kerry but seemed to let him go. I believe this debate won't change any voters minds as yet. It's still going to be a close race in the next few weeks. Here's hoping for a tougher Bush next week. With a son in Iraq, I'm praying for Bush to carry on as our CinC. |
I was disappointed that Bush did not put away Kerry tonight. I am not sure if this was part of the plan his advisors recommended. But clearly, Bush was not as aggressive as he should have been. Screw the "nice guy" or "guy whom you can have a beer with.' That is irrelevant when your enemy is attacking you like that. It was not a home run for Kerry, but it should have been a home run for Bush. |
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Stevie
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| dmackto wrote: | I can't find any polls yet. 
Anyone finds one please link. |
poll at hardball@msnbc.com
it will run all night
yuk, that wes clark is on msnbc.... always reminds me of a weasel
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MrJapan
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| Quote: | | the other Brit is a typical "Moore-on" and believes whatever comes from the MSM and Moore.... so sad. He wouldn't even watch the debunked F911.... |
OH... and I forgot to mention that he believes that ALL EU countries should also vote in America too!!! !!!! I told him he was insane!!! 
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hanna
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| I think one of the things we got from this tonight is Kerry's leaning toward Internationalism and globalism. We need to pound that and pound it and make it clear to the general public exactly what that means. I am quite sure that a lot of people don't have a clue about that. |
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JCJR
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What percentage of 'average debate viewers' will approve of Kerry's plan to cancel missile defense and nuclear bunker busters?
I think a nuclear bunker buster might be one of the strongest deterrents to Korean or Iranian leaders, but maybe there is a majority of anti-nuclear 'average voters'? These leaders might be a lot more concerned about their own skin, than the welfare of their serfs.
This sounds like the same 'unilateral nuclear disarmament' Kerry was pushing in the Reagan years. |
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