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[jimlarsen]

I don't understand anyone thinking Kerry won, or that it was a tie. kerry came off, to me at least, as an egotistical fool. Notice how many time Kerry said "I"? He was clearly trying to say (poorly as usual) that he's smarter them Bush. A sane man understands that "I" is the word for a dictator. Is that what Kerry want's people to think about him. Kerry also came off as wofully uninformed. He doesn't even know the difference between uranium and plutonium. He didn't know that Japan is holding a summut meeting to get financial support for the Iraqi war, even though it was in the papers. And, he didn't know that it was Bill Clinton that put sanctions on North Koria.

Bush looked tired. He had a full day, and it wasn't lying under the sunlamps and sipping mint julips. He was inspecting damange from our latest hurricane, and talking to prople in the area that got hit hard by three hurricanes this year. He's a man who cares more about people than intellectual ideas, and I think that came accross very well. I give this one to Bush, because I feel that, in spite of a few faltering moments, he appealed to mainstream America.

[greenvale]

So help me understand..Kerry want to be CIC..send more troops and get more allies to fight "the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time" Is that really the bottom line of his well thought out plan for victory in Iraq?
God Help and Bless America,
Greenvale

[Paul R.]

[Wynne]

I expected more from President Bush tonight and I admit I was disappointed. He missed several opportunities to rebut Kerry very specifically. Kerry 'looked' presidential; he 'sounded' presidential, 'acted' (for sure acted!) presidential. Bush looked tired, sounded tired, acted a bit tired at times.

We all know Kerry told lie after lie after lie. The man stood there and flat out LIED. Continuously. He threw out so many lies Bush could not rebut them all and many times didn't even try; he simply reverted to his own message. I have an idea he was coached to do that as the best alternative to a 'debater' like Kerry -- a person who will say any lie and say it very convincingly. Clinton was a liar too, but he knew it and he was an unconvincing liar because of it. He did have a conscience. Kerry is a pathological liar. He believes his own fantasy/reality. He believes: I said it and therefore it is so. And he spoke tonight with gravitas and his lies sounded convincing.

My first reaction was to worry that voters who know little about Kerry, and who are just starting to 'listen' to the campaign would be won over by him in this debate.

But then something very interesting began to happen to my own thinking... and if you'll excuse my sounding a bit 'twilight zonish here'... it was something that was happening 'from without' for lack of a better way to put it. I began to think how President Bush stood there and spoke from the heart in all earnestness. He did not look as presidential as Kerry; he did not sound as presidential as Kerry. But by God he looked and sounded and acted like the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD! And Kerry did not. It's as simple as that. This may seem hokey to a lot of people who may read my post, but like President Bush, I am a person of faith and something tonight tells me that our President is on the side of the angels and the voting public are going to respond to that. He is a moral man of righteous, heartfelt convictions. He is a man of strength -- a strength that speaks to the heart and soul and mind.

He did not win the 'debate'. But I believe he has won the hearts of the majority of the American people who watched him tonight and that he will be our President for four more years. And God knows we -- and the whole world -- needs him.
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[Rdtf]

[larryivy]

Remember one fact:

Kerry just gave his stump speech from NYU in 2 minute bites. No more relevations of HOW he is going to do anything. It makes his base drool but doesn't do much for undecideds or they would have started coming back in the polls.

The difference is now he is on record in front of 50M viewers.
1) I would not have gone to war, but I voted for it and then against funding it
2) I will not use premption unless it meets the Global Test (world approval)
3) Unilateral nuclear freeze

Bush needed to have been better prepared and sharper. He had plenty of opportunities to hit Kerry and didn't. Bush needs to decide how badly he wants to win this. Regardless of the impact he is going to have to do something in Iraq to take the advantage away from Kerry. He no longer has the luxury of trying to maintain.

[Dimsdale]

[nightingale97]

I'm actually looking forward to the Cheney/Edwards debate next week. I know they say the VP debate doesn't matter but I find myself rooting for Darth Vader. Personality wise he seems like a crusty old grandpa but we know better.
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[MrJapan]

[Kimmymac]

Okay, watching that debate and listening to Kerry's grandiose fantasies was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. I have given up alcoholic beverages for a period of fasting abstinence, so I couldn't even take the rough edge off.

I think I will write myself up for a medal.

Anyway here are my thoughts on the debate: Bush spent a frustrating 45 minutes trying to nail jello to the wall. Kerry was all over himself like cheap cologne on a male prostitute. "I am against the war, the war was a mistake, Saddam wasn't that bad, but Saddam was a threat and I will vigorously pursue terrorists in Iraq even though there are no terrorists in Iraq, they are ALL in Afghanistan. I support our troops and proved it by voting against body armor for them, but I now blame the President that humvees are not safe enough. Did I mention I saw combat over there somewhere, not Vietnam, don't say Vietnam. Something about subways and New York. The President doesn't include our allies in anything, and I will; my first step will be to pursue bi-lateral talks with N.Korea, shutting out China and Russia, thereby proving I am putty in Kim Jung Il's hands. This is how I will demonstrate my strength, and leadership; by irritating the leaders of Russia and China. Did I mention I saw combat in that other war? I will be strong and resolute in fighting terror, while making sure it passes the global test. Everyone in the world will love America more, because I will be the President and I have special powers that are a secret, but trust me, I have them. I have a special secret way to fight the war in Iraq which involves sealing the borders air tight and eliminating all terrorist activity in Fallujah, while simultaneously bringing home the troops. Did you know I was in combat? I will add two divisions to the Army, without instituting the draft. I will add millions of police to the streets, and you will get no tax cuts, but I will not raise taxes. I have a special plan to pay for this, but it is a secret. I am Kerry, the Great Karnack. I know all, see all, do all!"

You know, in my younger days I would have these guys hitting on me. Ladies, you know what I am talking about here. Frequently, these guys wanted to buy me a drink and tell me about their Navy SEAL days. Or how they were in the CIA. Or how they owned a multi-national company, and wanted me to accompany them to some tropical locale on their private jet.

Sitting there tonight listening to Kerry was like deja vu all over again. I expected John Kerry to walk into my living room, stand too close to me, and with his hot, putrid breath in my ear say, "Do you know I was one of the first senators to go to Russia after the fall of communism? You are really hot, and I am hoping you are too stupid to know that President Reagan had to fight leftist scum like me and my buddy Joe Biden hammer and tong to put in place the provisions that forced Gorby to cave."

Hey Kerry! I was too smart to fall for that BS then, and I am too smart now. Now step back before I pour my drink down your pants.

So what did we learn tonight? Nothing. But we saw for our own eyes a prime, Grade AAA example of grandiose, pathological lying that makes Kerry a credit to his profession: lawyer and professional, unregenerate politician.

So if I am ever facing a homicide rap, I am calling Kerry. However, what I am in the market for at this time is Commander in Chief and President of the United States.

And for that I need a strong leader, not a skilled debater.

No sale, Kerry. Now go home to your wife, and get your pretty little hand off my knee, before I break it off.

[MrJapan]

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[Stevie]

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might be a poll also.... JOe S says it looks like kerry won.... however, I think when it comes out what kerry actually said, he may have 'seemed' better, but at least Bush didn't LIE or screw up his facts (I hope, I haven't actually watched it all yet.... I taped part of it cause I had to leave for awhile)

I expect Bush just wanted to grab kerry by the tie and say 'look you so and so liar! ' I know that's what I'd want to do...

I REALLY don't like Ron Reagan !

and, maybe this is far fetched, but there might be something on Bush's mind that we don't know about yet.... he did seem a bit distracted tonight - which isn't like him.
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[JCBoston]

[Rdtf]

awesome, insightful and hysterical kimmymac!