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MotherGoose Seaman Recruit
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 16 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: Joe Lockhart comment |
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Is there a link---besides Drudge---that we could see that CSPAN exclusive? |
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Dimsdale Captain
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 527 Location: Massachusetts: the belly of the beast
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Kerry Won ? |
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larryivy wrote: | Remember one fact:
Kerry just gave his stump speech from NYU in 2 minute bites. No more relevations of HOW he is going to do anything. It makes his base drool but doesn't do much for undecideds or they would have started coming back in the polls.
The difference is now he is on record in front of 50M viewers.
1) I would not have gone to war, but I voted for it and then against funding it
2) I will not use premption unless it meets the Global Test (world approval)
3) Unilateral nuclear freeze
Bush needed to have been better prepared and sharper. He had plenty of opportunities to hit Kerry and didn't. Bush needs to decide how badly he wants to win this. Regardless of the impact he is going to have to do something in Iraq to take the advantage away from Kerry. He no longer has the luxury of trying to maintain. |
I concur!
Kerry was all "bigger, better, faster stronger etc." but never HOW he planned to do it. He suggested all the things the President was already doing, but he "would do it better." Kerry fell for the Biden "no soldiers trained yet" line, and fell into that hole several times.
I also agree that Bush had plenty of opportunities to get away from the "staying on message" mantra and pinning Kerry down on several points. I did like the way he rattled off the names of foreign leaders and seemed to have the needed stats at his fingertips. The only times I heard him pause longer than I would have liked, it was apparent that he was making sure that he used non-insulting phrases for out supposed allies etc. It was cleat that he was composing his answers in his head. I didn't notice any mistakes.
No knockouts either though.
Two more to go though!! _________________ Everytime he had a choice, Kerry chose to side with communists rather than the United States. |
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MotherGoose Seaman Recruit
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 16 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: Joe Lockhart comment |
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Is there a link---besides Drudge---that we could see that CSPAN exclusive? |
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zinfella Rear Admiral
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 708 Location: Mesa, Az
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | "Let not your hearts be troubled."
Tomorrow, Rush will be ALL OVER IT. Every inconsistency, every lie, every obfuscation.
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Sorry, but Rush was "all over" Clinton too, and he was elected twice. We have NO reason to be over confident. _________________ No whiners! |
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Steve Z Rear Admiral
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 687 Location: West Hartford CT
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:39 am Post subject: Debate Response |
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Sincerely, I still want Bush to win, but he didn't do NEARLY enough to rebut Kerry's lies.
As one person posted here, Kerry is a very EXPERIENCED liar--not only did he con two rich women into marrying him, but he bamboozled the Senate into believing all those war crimes accusations when he was only 27 years old--he is a VERY DANGEROUS MAN!!!
His lies MUST be exposed, before it's too late!!!
I agree also that Bush should have relaxed this morning instead of meeting with hurricane victims--as wonderful as that gesture might have been--unfortunately more people watched the debate than were affected by President Bush's gracious gesture toward the hurricane victims...
President Bush DID, in the debate, say that Kerry promised to withdraw the troops from Iraq within six months. Maybe now would be the time to run an SBVT ad playing back Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony about early withdrawal, another Senator's comments that there might be 800,000 casualties, some footage about the disaster that ensued in Vietnam, followed by Kerry's 2004 statement about withdrawing the troops from Iraq within six months...implying that history would repeat itself in Iraq if Kerry was elected.
What can we do, guys??? _________________ The traitor will crater! |
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openfish24 Lt.Jg.
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 140
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:40 am Post subject: LOCKHART: DEBATE CONSENSUS A 'DRAW' |
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LOCKHART: DEBATE CONSENSUS A 'DRAW'
Unbeknownst to Kerry adviser Mike McCurry, a C-SPAN camera quietly followed McCurry as he found Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart on Spin Alley floor and asked him his impression of the debate. Lockhart candidly said to McCurry , “The consensus is it was a draw.” |
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Dimsdale Captain
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 527 Location: Massachusetts: the belly of the beast
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Hey, I'm really glad you said that! It made me realize that Kerry wants to outsource the reconstruction contracts!!! Why the **** shouldn't the U.S. and those contributing to the Iraq effort the most get 1st dibs on the reconstruction contracts? |
That is a superb point!
Kerry wants to outsource the reconstruction contracts, which the country with "90% of the troops in Iraq" should earn as a bonus, and give them to the very countries that negotiated and traded with Saddam under the radar of the supposed sanctions and embargoes. Add to that France's sale of weapons to Iraq, and I think they have done enough "reconstruction." _________________ Everytime he had a choice, Kerry chose to side with communists rather than the United States. |
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ontheright Ensign
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 56 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Sorry, but Rush was "all over" Clinton too, and he was elected twice. We have NO reason to be over confident. |
Yep! The people who need to know what Kerry really is, aren't likely to be listening to Rush. |
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MrJapan PO1
Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 465 Location: Chiba, Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of Rush... Does anyone know of a way I can get recordings of his radio speeches? There is 1 hour every weeknight from the Armed Forces Radio.... but not the whole thing..... (Too expensive to become a paying member on his official site ).. and it comes on too late at night here.
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joeshero Commander
Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 321 Location: Midwest
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Joe seems to be like Kerry these days, flip flopping in order to get more viewers of his show. He flatly declared Kerry won. I remember when he also admired Kerry after the DNC. Come on, have a conviction.
Chris Matthews had a focus group--a group of six people. Well, a focus-leaning-toward-Kerry group.
Again, I do believe Bush was really tired and wasn't really prepared to throw some well-prepared punch lines, including some direct quote from past Kerry's words.
Stevie wrote: | give comments at
joe@msnbc.com
might be a poll also.... JOe S says it looks like kerry won.... however, I think when it comes out what kerry actually said, he may have 'seemed' better, but at least Bush didn't LIE or screw up his facts (I hope, I haven't actually watched it all yet.... I taped part of it cause I had to leave for awhile)
I expect Bush just wanted to grab kerry by the tie and say 'look you so and so liar! ' I know that's what I'd want to do...
I REALLY don't like Ron Reagan !
and, maybe this is far fetched, but there might be something on Bush's mind that we don't know about yet.... he did seem a bit distracted tonight - which isn't like him. |
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hanna Rear Admiral
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Well I think most of us are pretty disappointed. I really did think he would do much better than he did and quite honestly, Kerry did better than I thought he would, especially if you look at it through the eyes and ears of that "undecided" segment that are not as a political as the rest of us.
Bottom line, we have a lot of work to do and as we have known all along, it ain't gonna be easy:/ |
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zinfella Rear Admiral
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 708 Location: Mesa, Az
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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[quote="flagreen"][quote]"You know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?
The mistake was how he voted against funding the troops, and not how he talked about the vote. Let's not lose focus here. _________________ No whiners! |
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bach04 Lieutenant
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 212
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: |
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[quote="MrJapan
I personally appreciated the "high road" approach. President Bush may not have been on "attack" but I wonder if that won't speak better to the swing voters by his taking the high road. I think that shows more character than any "attacks" he could have led. That is true leadership.[/quote]
That is so true... I recall someone in a diffrent thread a few days ago mention the qualities that Bus has that matched a book about how to make and keep friends, or something like that.... keep everything positive and stay away from the negative of people/things.... It says much about his character....
He is like a favorite uncle that tries to take care of his family.[/quote]
I acknowledge your opinion on this, but I still feel that after all the time that was spent at the RNC attacking Kerry on his crazy foreign policies, this should have been the knockout punch. There is no room for being nice at this time, given the enormity of what is at stakes at this point. The liberals will use every sinister method to steal this election, so being tough at the first debate would have reinforced all the positive results that came from the convention.
But the bright side is that people will not become complacent and will work extra hard and not become complacent with what the polls are showing us. |
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flagreen Seaman
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: |
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zinfella wrote: | Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | "Let not your hearts be troubled."
Tomorrow, Rush will be ALL OVER IT. Every inconsistency, every lie, every obfuscation.
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Sorry, but Rush was "all over" Clinton too, and he was elected twice. We have NO reason to be over confident. |
Yeah but with Clinton people voted for him, not his lies. With Kerry they'll be voting for his lies because that's all there is. He doesn't have slick Willie's charm. |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Stevie: maybe it had to do with the fact that the President spent the day meeting with victims of the hurricanes, talking to people that had literally lost everything, while Kerry spent the day having a manicure.
Have you guys ever worked disaster relief? It is emotionally and physically draining. I have worked several natural disasters for Christian relief agencies and it wears you out. Just wears you out. It isn't the physical labor, it's the other aspects. The overwhelming loss, everywhere you look.
Maybe the President should have gone to a spa, to "save" himself for the cameras? Nawww....
John F'n Kerry, good Lord, what a spectacle he be. Kept thinking of Ralph Waldo Emerson: "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."
I made this point on another thread, (a bootleg post, sorry Moderators) that Reagan did pretty poorly against Mondale in the first 1984 debate, and you all remember how that election ended up. Very similar situations: Reagan was ahead in the polls, Mondale was a senator and a lawyer, and so a more "skilled debater"--Reagan seemed tired and a little distracted... |
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