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kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

I have just watched a replay of the opening of the debates. Right after Kerry shakes hands with Bush and Kerry steps behind the podium, Kerry pulls something out of the inside of his breast pocket. For all I know it could be a 'cheat' type sheet. It was not a hanky or kleenex. If that's the case, Kerry pulled a fast one on the country and his so-called debate abilities can be debunked. This is absolutely AGAINST the rules and should be questioned by the media and debate commission. What can I do to bring this to national medial attention?

(If this has been addressed somewhere else, I apologize. I did a brief search, but my rage about this got the best of me. Help?

Kimberly

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WebTalk · Lt.Jg. Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 147

kimberly

I just read this on page 42 of the "Debate" thread.
I think it deserves it's own thread.
I also went to CSpan and reviewed it 3 times.
Kerry clearly cheated by bringing a cheat sheet to the podium.
I'm going to check some of the other sites and blogs to see if they have caught up to this yet.

BTW, the poster who seems to have beaten you to the punch is "closer".

Good work both of you. I'll be back soon.
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igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

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rb325th · Admiral Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334

The T.V. angles were not of the Kerry doing. I watched it on Fox and the explanation of why it is Kerry took up more space in the shot is his height. In order for the Candidates to be seen in equal porportions Kerry needed more room on the screen. (His height, he is far taller than Bush. Allowing split Screen may not have been such a great idea.
As to crib sheets and biased questions, yes I saw this too. Although I think the President offered more substance than Skerry, he was tired and he did get pissed off a couple times with Kerry (rightfully so).
Seriously though Kerry provided more fodder against himself in that debate. He made contradictory statements, he showed himself to lack understanding of the nature of the War on Terror. He used far to many "MoveOn.org" talking points. He was insulting torwards our Allies, again and again.
Nope, Bush may not have had his best night out. however the fact is Kerry provided more than enough "Sounbites" to be used against him. "Backdoor Draft", "Global" (Aren't we a sovereign Nation), "I would not have sent our troops without the proper gear" (How many times has Kerry voted against Defense Budgets), he stuck to the Wrong War comment by continuing to say we should not have spent the money in Iraq, etc....
The Debate on the Economey should be interesting as well. Kerry just voted to keep the Tax Cuts in place. The Economey has been growing a steady rate (and one of the strongest growth rates) for the past couple years, unemployment is down. Etc.....
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igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

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Misty · Lieutenant Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 223

According to the rules of the debate, neither campaign is to use any footage of the debate in a public forum. Of course, we know that Kerry's side went out immediately after the debate and ran footage of the President's facial expressions. The debate rules also stated that the speaking candidate was the only one who was supposed to be filmed but the media refused to accept that rule and filmed the non-speaking candidate anyhow.

As usual, it appears that the Dems have circumvented the rules they had agreed to. Frankly, if I were the President I would be pi$$ed. The dems don't even seem bound by their own agreements. They are absolutely not trust-worthy. The American people should beware.
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concernedgranny · Seaman Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Ohio

Does any one remember seeing on Fox yesterday when it was said that the Dems didn't sign one part of the agreement in regards to the debates. I can't remember if it was about using footage or what, but I do remember them saying that they didn't sign on the dotted line about something and therefore weren't obligated. They even made it sound a little sneaky like they sneaked that part through. I know it was on in the morning on Fox. Which also brings up a point, is it me or have they started completely sounding like all the other medias, very biased? I can hardly stand to watch. Like right now, it was about vote for change concerts and they blended it in with rock the vote and made them sound like they were one and the same and they are not.

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Tom Poole · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject:

I noticed he removed paper from his breast pocket but did not know it violated the rules. We all know him well by now and because he got away with lying about almost everything for 35 years, we now should raise HELL any time we see him cheating and lying again. His smirk is enough to make me want to raise HELL.
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Ohio Voter · PO2 Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 360

By accident I taped the first part of the debate. I checked it just now. Sure enough, it is quite clear that Kerry took something out of his jacket inside pocket, put it on the podium and wrote something on something at the podium. I wonder how many times he looked down during the debate as if looking at notes. They may have had plain paper to take reminder notes.

ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

I recorded FOX's debate coverage on a DVD and went to check it out. It seems like it most likely was a pen (at least from what I could tell) because he took a cap off and then proceeded to write some things down. However, I could be wrong and I'd like to see the footage from different channels and C-SPAN. Anyways though, arent all the materials (pencils,pen & paper) to be checked with the officials and on the podium before the debate. It is my understanding the candidates were not supposed to take anything with them to the podium.