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[subsailor]

Kerry accused our President of a (massive, enormous or some such) miscalculation about Iraq. My reading on this site tells me that Kerry’s personal “miscalculation” was more that 1,000 times as costly in human life as our cost in Iraq to date. I’ve read that he “calculated” (miscalculated?) that our withdrawal from Vietnam would result in 1,000 or 2,000 deaths as a consequence our withdrawal. I read that 1 million in Vietnam and 2 million in Cambodia died as a direct consequence of our withdrawal and the resulting communist “victory.”

Kerry’s “advocating the negotiating points of our enemy” (learned in Paris) apparently contained a miscalculation that directly cost millions of human lives. (These lives are human lives to us non-elites)

Maybe he criticizes and attacks others to avoid looking at his own “miscalculation” that made him a WMD.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Damn good point, bubblehead! (From a former airedale. )


We've had some really good discussions about this "miscalculation" on Kerry's part in the Winter Soldier forum... but you're the first one I've seen connect it to his hypocrisy in attacking the President. BZ's!

Maybe you'd like to research this a little further and come up with some talking points for people who are writing letters to the editor regarding the debates?

There's a color-coded transcript of the debate in the Resources & Research Forum, if that helps, any.
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[GenrXr]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Hey, subsailor, dmackto and you are on the same wavelength!

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=88013#88013
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[GenrXr]

[Stevie]

[jataylor11]

I have posted on this topic many times ---

Kerry's quote from an interview ( it is reference in UFC) was that only 3,000 would need evacuated from South Vietnam

Tens of thousands need evacuated (My mind's eye still sees the news reports of the helicpoters leaving Saigon as if it was happening today)

Millions of boat people refuges, thousands die --- those small boats over crowded with more people that it could possibly hold

Millions murdered in Cambodia and Laos

Millions in re-education camps

Kerry was wrong by more than 1000%

KERRY WRONG IN 71 WRONG TODAY

This should be a commercial --- educate the vote on how wrong Skerry can be.

[jataylor11]

Kerry's misstatements in 71 (I misspoke about the 87billion) cost millions of lives.

[The Balloon Artist]

I started to make a new thread, but.....

Kerry's list of massive and enormous miscalculations

1, Firing a grenade to close to the shore endangering himself and the men on his boat.

2, Leaving the scene of a boat in danger and again putting men at risk

3, Throwing grenades from an unsafe distance and again putting himself and other men at risk.

These may or may not be in order and I don't want to have all the fun please continue the list
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What about John Kerry's four months in Vietnam qualify him to be president?
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[subsailor]

I posted last night about Kerry’s “miscalculation” and was happy to read the subsequent posts. (Yes, seeing the betrayer/criticizer in the debate was a personal call to battle stations) I awakened today thinking about Kerry’s misuse of the label “mistake.” He said something like, ‘how can you ask someone to be the last to die for a mistake?’ (From memory, so not accurate) He called the Vietnam War a mistake for the US, as part of his advocating of the enemies’ negotiating points.

In reality, the “mistake” he successfully advocated for Vietnam was a premature withdrawal – a snatching of defeat from the jaws of victory. Millions died as a consequence of the mistake he advocated – the betrayal of people we were assisting

For Iraq, he is advocating another US “mistake” – another premature withdrawal with potentially much larger consequences for people in the Middle East, and this time, for the US and the world.

Notice how he only counts US people who die. The others who suffer and die as a consequence of the “mistakes” he advocates are people also. (At least to us non-elites)

[Hondo]

subsailor:

Congrats on now being qualified to spend large chunks of your life in a "closed sewer pipe"! (At least, that's what they tell me submariners called life on a boat some years ago.)

The following is slightly off topic, but I couldn't resist. I think you (and all the other Navy folks out there) will enjoy.


Some years ago, I followed some of a military discussion list debating the definition of a submarine. (Yeah, maybe they DID have a bit too much time on their hands.) One exchange was priceless. The exchange went something like this.

Challenge: "The key feature of a submarine is that it can submerge!"
Response: "ALL ships can submerge. The key question is whether it can, under its own power, resurface."


Looking at Kerry's past, I think he's been pretty good at ideas for the "submerge" part, but just doesn't grasp the concept of "resurface".
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[subsailor]

Yikes, Echo Juliet, (and GenrXr) I just followed your link above to dmackto’s post and found he was reading my nightmares - “the last time John Kerry had a better war plan – three million were slaughtered”

It was on this site that I became aware of the amplified consequences of either victory or defeat in Iraq. The consequences are huge for either outcome. Bush has been trying to describe the favorable consequences of victory. Only on this site have I become aware of the hugely adverse consequences of defeat. Maybe there is an idea for an ad by someone. (Hey, Kerry snooper, choke on this thread!) We can’t let Kerry “submerge” the US again.

[The Balloon Artist]

We have it wrong.

3 million deaths was the result of Kerry's plan for "Winning the Peace"
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What about John Kerry's four months in Vietnam qualify him to be president?
Al Gore was there for five.

[Hondo]

subsailor:

That has real possibilities. Croscutting scenes of Kerry's testimony and/or antiwar protests with news footage taken from Cambodia's killing fields and Vietnamese "boat people" footage and/or survivor accounts - with a well-written voiceover stressing the fact that the latter was a direct consequence of the former - would be powerful. I think news footage that old just might public domain material.

The finale could cut to a scene in present-day Iraq, and end something like "We listened to Kerry once, with tragic consequences. Don't listen to him again."

I'd LOVE to see something like that get airplay in key states starting about October 26.
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
-- John Stuart Mill

[Dimsdale]

It sounds like a "collosal" miscalculation to me!!

Kerry's Senate career is a "collosal failure" as well.
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