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tiptie
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 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:11 pm Post subject: Kerry, the Vietnam War, and the Warriors |
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I do not know if this has been covered but I did not find by Search, any mention of "warriors" regarding the debate.
This quote below was from the debate that I heard and then talked to my wife about later.
The hypocrisy of this pathological liar to attempt to state that he is only against wars and not warriors!
To then go back and read the statements he made about our generation of soldiers and the now discredited LIES that Kerry said about these brave men in 1971.
It is so slimy, so sickening
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| Quote: | KERRY: I understand what the president is talking about, because I know what it means to lose people in combat. And the question, is it worth the cost, reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war.
And it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. That happened before. |
YES!!!! By YOU!!! |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I think the following author speaks well, for all of us;
| Quote: | Revenge is a dish best served cold
Barbara Stock
August 31, 2004
Over 30 years ago they put away their medals and their uniforms. They buried their anger and bitterness and moved on with their lives and they waited.
Revisionists are trying to change history, claiming the returning Viet Nam veterans didn't suffer all that much when they returned home. All that talk of being labeled animals has been exaggerated over the years. But the veterans know better. They were there.
On the radio last week, one man related that he had unpacked the uniform that he wore home from Viet Nam all those years ago. It had not seen the light of day for over 30 years. He showed it to his children and grandchildren and, for the first time, spoke of the day that he returned home from war and was spat on, cursed at, and literally had to run a gauntlet of protesters who threw human waste and rotten fruit on him and his fellow vets. With the words "baby killers" ringing in his ears he was warned by laughing policemen not to retaliate or he would be arrested. So he ran. The able-bodied helped the wounded as they do on any battlefield because those on crutches or in wheelchairs were not spared the profanity and bags full of feces that were thrown at them by the raging anti-war protesters.
This now middle-aged vet went on to tell his family that he had hid in the bathroom at the airport for over two hours, bewildered and afraid. He wondered if he had landed in some foreign land where Americans were hated. Finally, he cleaned up the uniform he was still proud to wear as best he could and made his way to his plane, where he suffered more insults from the passengers. When he got home, he packed up his medals and his dirty uniform, just as it was, and he knew that one day, he would take it out again and he would have his say. That day has come.
One POW stated that he had never put a face to the name until he heard the words "Genghis Khan" pronounced only as John Kerry does and suffered his first flashback to the time he was being tormented by Kerry's words in a North Vietnamese prison camp.
They buried their anger and the bitterness and they waited. Most of them didn't know who or what would be the signal to make their move, but they knew they would recognize it when it happened.
On July 29, 2004, it happened. John Forbes Kerry came to the podium at the Democratic Convention and uttered three words that made many Viet Nam vets skin crawl: "Reporting for Duty!" At last the time had come for these long-suffering veterans.
The past was staring back at these wrongly disgraced vets from their television sets. The face it bore was that of John Kerry, the man who had shredded their honor without a thought and climbed over the bodies of their fallen friends to launch a political career. Kerry had striped them of their dignity the day he sat before Congress in his fatigues and portrayed them as "baby killers" and "murderers." Kerry did the unspeakable. He had publicly turned on his fellow vets while they were still in harm's way and American prisoners were still in the hands of the enemy. Kerry accused them all of being out-of-control animals, killing, raping, and pillaging Viet Nam at will. The anti-war movement the protesters had their hero and he was a Viet Nam War veteran, an officer, a medal winner, a wounded warrior: John Forbes Kerry.
Many Viet Nam vets buried the memories of their less-than-welcome homecoming, and John Kerry moved off the national scene. The feelings of betrayal had faded, but they were never resolved. The unprecedented injustice inflicted on the Viet Nam vets has always lain just under the surface, waiting for a chance to be uncovered. The war had stolen their youth and innocence and John Kerry stole their dignity and rightful place of honor in history.
Like an unlanced boil, the anger festered but there was nothing that could ease the pain. These vets didn't ask for "forgiveness" because they had done nothing wrong in serving their country. They never asked to be treated as heroes, just good soldiers. All they have ever wanted was the respect due all the men and women who have worn the uniform of this country. Being allowed to march in a few parades wasn't enough. A long over-due memorial was not enough. The Viet Nam Veterans moveable wall only brought back the suffering as they searched for the names of their fallen friends whose memory had been defiled and disgraced by people who considered them rampaging killers instead of men who died with honor for their country.
Now before them stands this man who would be president this man who holds his service in Viet Nam up as a badge of honor now that it suits his purposes. This man Kerry brags about his medals and his tiny wounds and demands the respect they were denied, yet he offers no apologies for what he did to them. "I will be a great leader!" Kerry proclaims, because of his brief and self-proclaimed valiant service while wearing a uniform the very same uniform that they wore and were spat upon because of it.
All across America, soiled uniforms and memories of being shamed and humiliated have resurfaced and Vietnam vets demand their rightful place in history. John Kerry seems bewildered by the reaction of his "fellow vets." He has become defensive and angry because now his service and honor are being questioned. Kerry seems oblivious to the pain he caused three decades ago when he stole all honor and dignity from those same "fellow vets" for personal gain. Now he wants to use them again, for the same reason.
All across America, Viet Nam vets are smiling. At last, perhaps they can bury their demons. These angry vets are demanding that this man who sentenced them to being shunned as criminals, tell the world that he was wrong and that he is sorry for what he did to them. Kerry must admit that he lied about them.
For many, it would still not be enough. Satisfaction and hopefully peace will come when Viet Nam vets see and hear John F. Kerry give his concession speech the night of November 2, 2004 with the knowledge that it was their votes that helped defeat him. There are approximately 2.5 million Viet Nam veterans in America and they have not forgotten.
Kerry denied them their rightful place as heroes and they will deny him his dream of the presidency. Angry Viet Nam veterans, silent for so long, will finally have their say. Payment in full will be delivered to John Kerry on November 2, 2004. Revenge is indeed a dish best served cold. |
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/stock/040831
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carpro
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry, the Vietnam War, and the Warriors |
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| tiptie wrote: |
| Quote: | KERRY: I understand what the president is talking about, because I know what it means to lose people in combat. And the question, is it worth the cost, reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war.
And it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. That happened before. |
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Where did this quote come from? I need a source for a paper I'm working on.
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tiptie
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shadowy
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I was wondering why that wasn't picked up on immediately. Have only seen a mention or two. It jumped out at me, too. I almost thought he was going to do something shocking and go on to attempt some kind of vague apology, but no such thing. Just "That happened before". Yeah, and? Is there something else you'd like to say? |
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tiptie
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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I have found that the reading of the debate is much more informative than the visual.
One can read and re-read the bull**** to make sure Kerry said what I thought he said. |
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sdonions
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Here is what I put directly after I heard what he was saying. Thought I was going to loose it.
| Quote: | | WTF. Not confuse the war with the Warriors. That SOB POS Liberal Crap dealing CS said that. OMFG WTF could he be talking about. |
I was too P/O to finish by stating that he was the one that was blaming the Veit Nam Veterans. I have to now say that I want that lieing POS to loose so bad I can taste it. |
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RMalloy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. That happened before. |
Don't know where the original quote comes from but Kerry has been
repeating it. Found he said it in NH, Iowa Caucus, and at a VFW
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mach9
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, yes, yes! This needs to be rammed home. He adds, a paragraph later, "Now, we have a choice here." Talk about a man with no shame . . . |
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FUZZY
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject: home |
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That made me hurt once again.
In the "debate" I couldn't help but feel President Bush's heart and feelings. I know he knows about US and probably feels the same way we do and must remain politically correct and say or do nothing in our behalf.
I really do think the president wishes he could say whats in his heart, mind and soul. He just cannot. Small wonder he seemed distracted.
Thank you for that.
sgt Barron
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