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badbobusnret Seaman Recruit
Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 42 Location: Patuxent River
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:29 pm Post subject: Unfriendly Fire- Hoffman in WaPo |
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Haven' t seeen this posted:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2975-2004Oct2.html?sub=AR
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Unfriendly Fire
A Vietnam Vet Saw His Honor Under Attack, and Took the Fight to the Kerry Camp
By Hanna Rosin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 3, 2004; Page D01
"T his is Latch."
That's how Roy Hoffmann opened the calls, with a name he hadn't used in 35 years, a name the man at the other end of the line last heard crackling over a radio receiver in Vietnam.
He called all the men who'd been under his command there, finding their names in old mimeographed records and photos once stored in his attic and now spread all over his second-floor office.
"You don't have to be shot at to shoot," says retired Navy rear admiral Roy Hoffmann, founder of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. (Jay Paul For The Washington Post)
"Latch, remember me?" he would say, transporting them back to those days on the Swift boats, the patrols in the Mekong Delta or even the middle of a firefight, when "Latch" had a habit of checking in from headquarters on the radio.
They had become bus drivers and lawyers and cotton farmers, retired or heading in that direction. Some remembered him by other names, Red Rooster or Smiley or Mad Dog Hoffmann. All of them remembered him.
"Before that call I hadn't thought for 30 minutes about Vietnam in 30 years," says George Elliott, a retired naval officer tending his garden in Delaware.
Now here was Hoffmann, calling out of the blue, asking, "Have you read the book?" Just like that -- "the book." And Elliott knew he must be talking about historian Douglas Brinkley's book "Tour of Duty," describing John Kerry's time as a Navy officer in Vietnam. It was about them, too, after all.
Did he think it was accurate, Hoffmann wanted to know. Did it do them justice?
The results of Hoffmann's one-man crusade are now infamous, this year's version of the campaign mudfight -- was Bill Clinton a draft dodger? did Dan Quayle buy drugs? -- one of those nasty stories that pop up in the political season, with bit players dredging up thin allegations about a candidate's past.
Nearly nine months later, the group Hoffmann founded -- Swift Boat Veterans for Truth -- has raised $7.5 million, hired a PR agent, and run those notorious television ads claiming Kerry lied about his heroism in Vietnam. The group has moved so far beyond Hoffmann's attic they're having trouble convincing people they are not shills for President Bush.
Hoffmann is an unlikely player for this high-stakes political game. He'll vote for Bush but doesn't much respect him -- calling him "impulsive," an insult from an admiral who always insisted on discipline. The closest Hoffmann ever came to being a political operative was once collecting signatures on his block for John McCain.
Nonetheless the story begins with "Latch," a persona laid to rest for 35 years who suddenly felt his honor challenged after finding himself as the bad guy in a presidential hopeful's biography. For his men, no matter what side they take now, Latch is the logical one to have opened this box. Even back then their commander was the focus of much of their gossip, the old salt from Korea whom they revered or feared, the one whose voice on the phone can still make them stand at attention.
As they replay old questions in their minds -- how did they behave out there? Is there anything at this late stage in life they ought to repent for? -- they remember Latch as either a hero by example or the devil on their shoulder, pushing them to the edges of both their fear and the rules of war. For those who remember him less fondly, Latch, not Kerry, is the Swift boat veteran with the most explaining to do.
Full-Time Job
By now, the Hoffmanns' home in Richmond has lost the rhythms of retirement. The downstairs floor is spit-shine tidy, there's a sunny kitchen with a watering can waiting to be filled, photos of Hoffmann in uniform surrounded by his five daughters, formal shots of the grandchildren neatly arranged on the side tables.
These days, Hoffmann and his wife spend most of their time in their makeshift offices -- Mary Linn in the basement answering hundreds of e-mails, Roy upstairs, surrounded by so many open boxes that Mary Linn can't get in to vacuum. They see each other at dinner. The yard is not what it used to be.
No one would call Hoffmann frail, but he's 78, small and stooped. He can't hear that well and often walks around whistling -- his "mood thermometer," daughter Hilarie Hanson calls it.
"Things just slip my mind nowadays," he says, losing the name of someone's secretary. But he doesn't leave it at that. He runs upstairs, finds the guy's number, calls and asks for the secretary's name. His manner isn't fussy, but still direct and exacting. His woodworking is known for its details.
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Me#1You#10 Site Admin
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Much obliged Bad bob...my google alert failed me...reading it now |
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badbobusnret Seaman Recruit
Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 42 Location: Patuxent River
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Critique-
Veiled hit piece. Typical personal touch to underscore theme. Increase doubt without personal recrimnation. Marginalize SBVFT.
Obvious outcome determined before story was written.
5 min Goggle search-
Hannah Rosin WaPo: graduate of correct universities; former writer for New Republic; part time actress, married to David Plotz, 30 year old editor of Washington Bureau of Slate Mag.
Nuff said.
Oh yeah- Cumulative mil experience- zero |
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muggedliberal Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 92 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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I am FURIOUS over this piece.
Veiled my a$$
I want to know what sources Mr. Brinkley cited to make his hateful assessment of Adm. Hoffmann quoted in this piece... does anyone know? How DARE he make such criticisms of this man who clearly dedicated his life to the service of his country?!!!!
The witch that wrote this married to a SLATE editor sez volumes..
If I were Adm. Hoffmann, I'd go for Brinkley's throat (or perhaps about two feet lower).
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Wolfgang Ensign
Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 61
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think Hanna is a fairly standard left-liberal--I've no doubt she believes what she says here. Just fits in perfectly with her worldview.
I remember complaining to the WP about a piece of hers once, and she defended language like "Christians infiltrating the Republican party" on the basis that that's standard language by the scholars in the field. It apparently didn't even occur to her that it was highly partisan, or that a scholar might also be a partisan combatant. Or that she might be. |
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Me#1You#10 Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Frankly, whether Kerry used crib notes in the debate or not pales in importance to this MSM assault on the SBVT leadership and the collective shunning of the revelation in Tom Lipscomb's article inre Kerry's authorship of the spot AAR.
Did Michael Dobb's have too much integrity to pen this WaPo smear of Admiral Hoffman?
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muggedliberal Seaman Apprentice
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I agree M1Y10. It is clearly a concerted attempt to divert public attention away from this very important revelation.. it's maddening to watch.. and the implications of the fact that it seems to be working is frightening.
You come up with some 'anonymous sources' for the Press, and they'll print any half backed conspiracy anyone will throw at them.. but get a group of honest everyday people to stand up and take responsibility for information, and stand behind it and, if it doesn't go along with their agenda, they are simply swept under the rug.
I don't like what's happening in this country.. I don't like it at all.
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Me#1You#10 Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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BTT for Sunday evening crew |
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Dimsdale Captain
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 527 Location: Massachusetts: the belly of the beast
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | The results of Hoffmann's one-man crusade are now infamous, this year's version of the campaign mudfight -- was Bill Clinton a draft dodger? did Dan Quayle buy drugs? -- one of those nasty stories that pop up in the political season, with bit players dredging up thin allegations about a candidate's past. |
I think the real question is not whether it is a mudfight or a nasty story, but is it true?
I don't care or recall enough about the Clinton or Quayle stories (although the former is demonstrably true), but to say that the allegations of the SBVT are "thin" is a bit thin itself.
It is one thing to start a whispering campaign or spread anonymous rumors on the web, but quite another thing for over 255 contemporaries of Kerry, some his commanders and one his actual crew, and all highly decorated and honorable, to put their names and reputations on the line, many of them signing sworn affidavits. To smear and dishonor them on the word of a dishonorable man like Kerry simply smells of rank partisanship and a complete lack of commonsense, never mind journalistic ethics.
Hanna Rosin seems to be suffering from acute MSM disease: repeating the talking points of the DNC and Kerry campaigns as truth.
It is a disease that only the truth, or more precisely, the Swift Boat Veterans for truth, can cure. _________________ Everytime he had a choice, Kerry chose to side with communists rather than the United States. |
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