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Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

I have a picture that is very interesting, but I don't know how to post it.......I read something earlier about putting it somewhere.....???? I haven't a clue, but it clearly shows the size of whatever it is he has in his RIGHT hand.

Wynne · Lieutenant Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 228

LewWaters · Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:03 am Post subject:

Out of many interesting threads and comments over on ** about this subject, I found this one most interesting;

SWVTsupporter · Ensign Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 51

Following the bouncing ball...

I apologize if this has already been mentioned and discussed

Kerry has 2 pens on the podium. It appears that one pen is a typical Bic pen, white barrel, black tip with black cap. This is the same pen that Bush has and is using. In addition, Kerry also has a 2 piece pen that has a larger cap. I think this is the famous 'Montblanc' pen. The white one can be seen at 5:20, the 'Montblanc' at 5:27. He frequently exchanges them back and forth over the next 5 minutes.

Also, of even more interest, it appears he has 2 sets of papers. One set is to his left side of the microphone, higher up, the other is to his right and low near the edge. He makes a small movement to correct the location of the paper to his right. All of this can seen between the 5:00 mark and the 10:00 minute mark.

At around the 13:00 minute mark, he appears to be writting on the paper on his right, yet his face appears to be pointed at the paper on his left. That is all I have watched so far, except for the end of his closing statement when he puts the object/objects into his right front pocket. I do not know why he didn't return the 'montblanc' to its rightful location in his inside right lapel pocket, 'where he pulled it' from Rolling Eyes

. I guess it will be worth the effort to watch the whole thing over again and pick up some more detail.

Thanks for viewing this post.

igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov shows a normal version side by side a zoomed version. If you save it to your computer you can view it frame by frame.

Look closely at the right hand. He might have had something in his right hand.

ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Check out this NY Post article....They say it is a BLACK PEN???

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm

JimRobson · Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:12 am Post subject:

Igor: So much has been written I'm getting fuzzy. (Just ask Hanna)

But anyway, I seem to remember that someone said he had a hankerchief in his right hand. He was probably wiping his hand after the handshake with Bush.
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Cam Ranh '71 · Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:13 am Post subject: Did Kerry cheat or "Jacketgate"

I double posted on this subject, Kimberly [above] having beat me by 24 hours.
The only thing that I can add is the name "Jacketgate" and a Quicktime hi resolution video of several seconds with a clearer image. Telling. Obviously you need Quicktime to view.

[http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.movies/jfkcheat.mov]

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kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

GoophyDog · Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:44 am Post subject:

A black pen? Interesting since in several frames I do believe I saw Kerry taking notes with a WHITE pen.

Does the guy flip-flop on pen usage as well!?!?!?
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Wait a minute.....didn't Kerry reach into his right breast pocket with his left hand???

igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Two things:

If the ny times ran an article saying it was a black pen, will the rest of the media be content with their answer and just drop it? I have been unable to view replays on the internet, but when I first noticed the 'deed' it was on a replay of the clip as an intro to Fox's debate stories. The actual tv view is much clearer to me than the pictures posted here and it was clearly a white square piece of paper that he unfolded and shuffled on the podium. I guess it is good, in a way, that the DNC is reporting it as a black pen, it should be easy to show (somehow) that it clearly is not. Hopefully the media will be skeptical of the DNC answer and do some investigating of their own.

Second, I couldn't believe my eyes when I first noticed the 'deed'. I wondered how I had missed it when it happened 'live'. Did anyone notice it when it was actually happening live? I've talked with some other people and family and no one noticed it until they saw the footage.

By the way, although I posted and started this thread, there was someone else (closer, I think) who caught the deed as well and posted on the debate forum as such. I am sure that we both are grateful to everyone who took the time to review the footage and pass the word to the right people. Your 'investigation' has brought forth more 'questionable' behavior that needs answering. Hopefully we can move the issues beyond the 'right is just whining sour grapes' and really get to the bottom of this. Here's to hoping the MSM will be curious enought to look beyond the DNCs unacceptable explanation.

Kimberly

ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Now I'm even more pissed...it is clear the motive/agenda of the writer for the NY Post article. Here is a little about him.
http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/Newsweek/2004/06/14/529834?extID=10032&oliID=213