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d19thdoc PO3
Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 280 Location: New Jersey Shore
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:28 am Post subject: Voice of the puppet master . . . |
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I recently came across a Viet Cong propaganda leaflet left for us on Highway QL-1 near Duc Pho in Vietnam sometime betweent July of 1967 and October of 1969. It is undated, but that is the time frame my unit operated in the area mentioned in the leaflet. It was their belief that they could influence us to defect, mutiny or desert, by working on our fears - in other words, typical communist propaganda, which we found ridiculous.
I was struck by the last line in this particular leaflet, and wonder if anyone can think of an echo from our boy JFK a couple of years later? Perhaps we give Mr. Walinsky too much credit for ghost writing talent, and perhaps we can guess a little better what kind of advice Kerry got from the VC in Paris.
In the original fractured English, it ends:
"Your parents, wives and children long to see your back home alive, but not in a coffin with a death allowance, a purple heart medal bestowed by Nisson. Do try to avoid the unfortunate fate of the last GI killed in this war" (emphasis added).
"The Central Duc-pho National front for Liberation" _________________ For The Honor of the Fifty-Eight Thousand.
"He Can Lose, But He Can Not Hide" |
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:01 am Post subject: |
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d19thdoc, is there any way you can scan that document and email it to me? If so, just PM me - I'll host it. Sounds interesting.
We already have pretty conclusive evidence that Kerry came home from Paris with a laundry list of KGB-written "talking points." This could certainly be one of them. _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:08 am Post subject: |
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There should be a number on it, usually in one of the lower corners. If you can post the number, I can (maybe) bounce it off my PsyOps catalogues.
NNN, if you host it, PM me, I'd like a link so I can make a copy for my records. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Voice of the puppet master . . . |
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d19thdoc wrote: |
I was struck by the last line in this particular leaflet, and wonder if anyone can think of an echo from our boy JFK a couple of years later? Perhaps we give Mr. Walinsky too much credit for ghost writing talent, and perhaps we can guess a little better what kind of advice Kerry got from the VC in Paris.
In the original fractured English, it ends:
"Your parents, wives and children long to see your back home alive, but not in a coffin with a death allowance, a purple heart medal bestowed by Nisson. Do try to avoid the unfortunate fate of the last GI killed in this war" (emphasis added).
"The Central Duc-pho National front for Liberation" |
I'd like to see THAT in an ad..... VC propaganda 'Do try to avoid....' vs Kerry propaganda ' How do you tell ..... ' with pic of VC and pic of Kerry with their respective lines.....
maybe 1 soldier picking up flyer and reading that line to another soldier.... and then Kerry spewing his propaganda line.... _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged. |
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RMalloy PO3
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Have to ask, who is Nisson?
Quote: | purple heart medal bestowed by Nisson |
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RMalloy PO3
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:36 am Post subject: |
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If it's Nixon, he didn't come into office until Jan. 69' |
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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Nisson is "Nixon" with a French accent.
Well, then, that should give a terminus ante quem for the leaflet. Sometime between Jan 69 and Oct 69. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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Knighthawk Commander
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 323 Location: Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:54 am Post subject: |
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I really want to see this flyer!!
Somebody PM me if it goes up on the net
Thanks _________________ Regards,
Brian
Beware of the lollipop of mediocrity! Lick it once and you'll suck forever.
If guns kill people, then I can blame misspelled words on my pencil.
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Knighthawk Commander
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 323 Location: Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:46 am Post subject: |
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I found these 2 leaflets online at www.psywarrior.com
Check out the last lines of the leaflets.
_________________ Regards,
Brian
Beware of the lollipop of mediocrity! Lick it once and you'll suck forever.
If guns kill people, then I can blame misspelled words on my pencil.
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The Balloon Artist PO3
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 262 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like ol' John was just following orders. _________________ What about John Kerry's four months in Vietnam qualify him to be president?
Al Gore was there for five. |
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Dimsdale Captain
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 527 Location: Massachusetts: the belly of the beast
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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It sure does have a familiar smell to it!
Of course, logically, instead of asking if the Vietnamese lifted his speech, maybe Kerry lifted theirs.
Either way, the message of the communists and Kerry were one and the same. _________________ Everytime he had a choice, Kerry chose to side with communists rather than the United States. |
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stevieboy Seaman Recruit
Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 48 Location: Massachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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They destroyed Joe Biden's campaign in '92 (or '8 for plagarism. Why not this time too?
John Kerry - incapable of an original thought even on this! |
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d19thdoc PO3
Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 280 Location: New Jersey Shore
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Much like Kerry himself in his Cambodia fantasy, I forgot that "Nisson's" tenure would help define the time frame. My unit was in the Duc Pho area from July of 1967 to October of 1969, so the pamphlet must have dated, as someone notes, from between January and October 1969.
I will get it to Echo Juliet. _________________ For The Honor of the Fifty-Eight Thousand.
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d19thdoc PO3
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Knighthawk's pamphlets pretty much nail down the fact that this phrase was a patented communist talking point. Kerry's use of it is generally referred to as the most memorable line of his anti-war career.
". . . how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" _________________ For The Honor of the Fifty-Eight Thousand.
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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Same old liberal tripe.
Ho Chi Minh Talking points and MoveOn Talking Points are identical and people are *surprised*? _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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