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[Aristotle The Hun]

I am an Iowa farm boy and have lived with the bigotry of city people who just assume that a country boy is stupid. I saw Bush dealing with the same kind of prejudice. Many people assumed Bush was stupid because he spoke with a regional dialect and exhibited a “down home” demeanor. Likewise many people thought Kerry was smart because he had an East Coast (Boston) accent and patrician demeanor. My fellow Mensans share this bigotry with the general population. Most Mensans think Kerry is smart and Bush is stupid.

Being personally irritated with this urban prejudice, I started to do some research.

Here is what the research shows so far:

I found this quote with an internet search “Bush scored a very credible 1330 for his SAT's and would not have got into Yale unless he filled the other rigorous requirements”. I also found a report that Bush had an IQ of 91.

I needed confirmation from another more credible source. Thanks to help from forum members I now have research I trust and an analysis that is more accurate than the 1330 SAT score or the 91 IQ. I am somewhat disappointed because what I wanted to be able to say is that Bush could join Mensa but Kerry could not. As it turns out, neither candidate can join Mensa.

I already have Kerry’s Navy records re his IQ. I originally joined Mensa on the basis of my Navy GCT scores so I knew how to read Kerry’s records. Kerry tested 58 on his Navy General Classification Test (GCT). Kerry scored in the 84th percentile and Mensa’s minimum requirement is 98th percentile. Kerry would be considered “Bright Normal” (110 to 119). Bush would be in the next highest category “Superior” (120 to 129) or about the 95th percentile.

I am comfortable with the accuracy of saying Kerry has an IQ of 115 as compared to Bush having an IQ of 125. While this is not as dramatic a story as I hoped, I still think it will surprise most people, except for the “good old boys” who have the reverse prejudice that “city people” are stupid.

I am still researching their college grades. What I want to announce is that “W” is smarter and got better grades”. How many people do you know that will have a slack jawed reaction to them facts?

Of course, I am eager to get the word out now that I have documentation to back up my suspicions. I am writing a news release and plan on sending it to media outlets yet today. I do PR work for Mensa so I am in regular contact with the media.

I am grateful for the research and inspiration of this forum in nailing down my suspicions. Remember, you heard it here first.

Can anyone help with research on college grades?

Sam

MENSA Accepted Scores

SAT or CEEB scored prior to 9/30/74 1300
scored from 9/30/74 through 1/31/94 1250



GRE prior to 5/94 (math + verbal) 1250
effective 5/94 (math + verbal + analytic) 1875



GMAT (Percentile rank of verbal + quantitative)**
95



ACT Composite prior to 9/89 29
effective 9/89 N/A




Army GCT***
prior to 10/80 136
effective 10/80 N/A




Navy GCT***
prior to 10/80 68
effective 10/80 N/A




IQ DESCRIPTION PERCENT OF ADULTS
Above130 Very superior 2.2
120-129 Superior 6.7
110-119 Bright normal 16.1
90-109 Average 50.0
80-89 Dull normal 16.1
70-79 Borderline 6.7
Below 70 Defective 2.2
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[Redleg]

Doc: As a city slicker and just like Forrest Gump, I rather be lucky than smart. "Stupid is as stupid does".

Very interesting theory there. I have never considered country bumpkins as stupid. I once stayed in Winchester, Virginia and even though the locals talked rather slow and said: "You all" a lot they seem to have had a better perception on world events than most city folk that I know and a hell of a lot more common sense.
I would take a bunch of rabbit huntin' dudes in my platoon anytime.
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[Aristotle The Hun]

[Paul5388]

Sam,

I had always heard the combination of GCT and ARI was roughly equivalent to IQ using Navy test scores. It was also pretty well known that you had to have higher scores to get into FT school than you had to have to be an officer! I believe MT's and ET's were a similar situation.

Paul FTG-3/SGT
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[Aristotle The Hun]

[lthrneck]

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[Paul5388]

Sam,

Even though I was an FT, my GCT was only 65. According to what you posted, isn't enough to qualify for Mensa. The qualification, to get into FT school, was a combined GCT + ARI score of 120, but only 118 was needed to become an officer.

I think you only needed a combined score of 2 to be a jar head! Just kidding!
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[lthrneck]

(This may not be 100% correct but pretty close).

AMERICANS WITH NO ABILITIES ACT PASSES CONGRESS

May 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, DC (AP) - Congress approved sweeping legislation, which
provides new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No
Abilities Act (AWNAA), signed into law by President John Kerry shortly
after its passage, is being hailed as a major victory by advocates of
the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive
necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,"
said Kerry, a longtime AWNA supporter.! "This is why many of them voted for me.

We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be
ridiculed and passed over.

With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special
favors to a small group of workers, simply because they do a better job,
or have some idea of what they are doing", said Kerry.

President Kerry pointed to the success of the US Postal Service, which
has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to
performance. Approximately 80 percent of postal employees lack job
skills, making this agency the single largest US employer of Persons of
Inability.

Private sector industries with good records of nondiscrimination against
the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry! (68%),and
home improvement "warehouse" stores (65%)

President Kerry has also set an example, personally selecting hundreds
of Nonabled people for top government positions, including many
cabinet-level jobs.

Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million "middle
man" positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but
little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose
and performance.


Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given, to
guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The
legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations which
maintain a significant level of Persons of Inability in top positions,
and gives a tax credit to small and medium businesses that agree to hire
one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult
to discriminate against the Nonabled, banning discriminatory interview
questions such as "Do you have any goals for the future?" or "Do you
have any skills or experience which relate to this job?"
and "Are you awake?"

"As a Nonabled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who
have something going for them," said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her
position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, MI due to her
lack of notable job skills.
"This new law should really help people like me."

With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented
citizens can finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Said Kerry, "It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and ever! y
American citizen! , regard less of his or her adequacy, with some sort of
space to take up in this great society which I lead."
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Carry On!!

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[Aristotle The Hun]

All we are waiting on is for psychometric validation from experts familiar with GCT testing. Tedious but necessary.

Sam
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[hmminCanada]

I've been reading through all the posts that have been made on this topic.You (Aristotle) said you have the results that put Bush in the 95th percentile but unless I'm missing something I cannot find how you have reached that conclusion. In the last few days I have heard comments regarding Kerry's intelligence and Bush's not being so bright and so I think we would all like to know what exactly you found out. Considering Kerry's answers to reporters yesterday, his continual pouncing on anything the MSM puts out without any serious discernment, without looking beyond the headlines, are signs of a very rash and reckless way of thinking and talking (of course we all know that) that is only aimed at producing incendiary soundbites. After listening to the author of a book called Treachery (I think on Hannity a couple of days ago) and another author on Rush's program yesterday, I think Bush and Cheny's problem is that they just know way too much about what is happening and how it's going to work out that they can't possibly reduce it into litle 90 second time slots. So I'd really like you to share more specifics about what you discovered in your e-mail because I think it's important that we all need to know. Thanks for pursuing this very interesting topic.

[Aristotle The Hun]

[Knighthawk]

I grew up on a farm in NC. I remember my grandfather telling that it depends where you are at as to just how stupid you are it took me a while to figure it out, but I finally did.
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