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Inatizzy · Former Member Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 439

Kerry's campaign slogan should be "we are the Borg, you will be assimilated".

Heck yeah Communism and Socialism are alive and well.....it's called the Democratic Party. A rose by any other name and all that happy crappy.

P. Aaron · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:20 am Post subject:

A few more thoughts about communism: The terrorists are communist/collectivist in their own way but the method is similar:

A cabal enforcing their law by the use of force and terror to bend others to their will, and/or to mute opposition enough that it shrinks away. The terrorist still consumes the effort of others without compensation. Anything of intrinsic value eventually turns into "loot". Like a treasure fought over by hordes of times past. While the creative production of a free man is inhibited, for fear that the creativity itself becomes a life-sentence of slavery for the creator.

This parallels many dictatorships in the world today; Iran, North Korea, and Zimbabuwe(sp?) are the few that instantly come to mind.

Why would a man today work to create value, knowing that his captors and/or tormentors would simply rob him of anything value, and man would not be rewarded for his effort to be creative? But in fact be punished.

The end result is creation stops. Whether it be a new medical breakthrough, or a better mousetrap. Thus, Zimbabuwe(sp?) can no longer feed itself and sell its surplus and N. Korea starves for similar reasons. Rather than developing the creativity of an "open market", most dictatorships have had to steal technologies and science in an attempt to keep parity with its rivals.
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ocsparky101 · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:58 am Post subject:

All I can tell you for sure is that the Web Site CPUSA wich is the communist party in the USA said on their site that they were not running a canidate this year because they did not want to take away from the canidate they want to see elected. Now of course they also have the ten reasons not to vote for George Bush so I assume they are not supporting Bush. They did not want to name thieir favorite canidate though because they did not want to cost him votes.

ocsparky101 · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:58 am Post subject:

All I can tell you for sure is that the Web Site CPUSA wich is the communist party in the USA said on their site that they were not running a canidate this year because they did not want to take away from the canidate they want to see elected. Now of course they also have the ten reasons not to vote for George Bush so I assume they are not supporting Bush. They did not want to name thieir favorite canidate though because they did not want to cost him votes.

Michmaddave · Ensign Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 55

I think that the insidious nature of, and seduction of communism can be best illustrated by the Ayn Rand 1959 book "Atlas Shrugged". (Ironically for me, the year I was born). In it is the socialistic arguments in the fictional tale of a Railroad Magnate who is up against the socialists who want to, unknown to them, drive her and her railroad under "for the people". The major fault of Communism, being the failure to account for human nature, and for the necessary self interest trait for self preservation and individual freedom, is best shown in this work which was written by a Russian Immigrant Rand herself. It is a long book, over 1100 pages, and starts out slowly, but it is the only book I have ever read where I have found myself yelling out loud in agreement. I highly recommend.
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shadowy · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:34 am Post subject:

I've read that our present education system was designed by socialists at around the turn of the century. And I don't think it teaches kids what socialism really is. They make it sound like a wonderful thing. It's not hard to be seduced, if you are completely naive about human nature and can imagine that everyone would be concerned about the collective well being above their own interests.

I recommend David Horowitz's book Left Illusions. He was a leftist who came to his senses. Now he's their worst nightmare.

Michmaddave · Ensign Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 55

"the vision of the anointed" by Horowitz is also excellent.
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dusty · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject:

The Democrats are going to have to rename their party if they don't have a house cleaning. Commiecrats would fit nicely if they continue to embrace the communists ideals as they so surely are today.
I've asked this before. Who's going to step up and be our Joe McCarthy today. There is a nest of communist sympathizers or ourtright card carrying members in our congress right now. By their votes over the last 40 yrs. they have identified themselves.
All that's required is to examine the voting records of all the Senators and Reps. The ones that consitantly vote against America at every turn in favor of Communist regimes or dictatorships should be purged from the halls of congress. Simple as that.
Maybe then we would have a chance of turning around the socialist trends we have been having to endure the results of for the last 30 yrs.
Without their power base in congress, I believe the MSM would be hard pressed to continue thier business of subverting the country. Although they would try.
We have a hard fight ahead of us in this respect folks. And we'd better start doing something about it or we will wake up conquered one bright, dark sunny morning.

Dusty

margie · Seaman Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 187

Do you know the communist party is not running a candadate this year, but is supporting Kerry? First time from my understanding. I wrote someone in MI regarding this who is thinking of voting for Kerry....they replied, that may have been important in the 70ies, but has no bearing today????

P. Aaron · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject:

Joe McCarthy was not destroyed because he was delusional. Joe McCarthy was destroyed because he was right.

What's funny is that if you really put "the McCarthy era" into context, most of what they say anti-communists where doing ie: the Hollywood Blacklists, HUAC, The 'Red Scare" all happened before McCarthy was ever sworn into the Senate.

Lazy historians just cobble the public anti-communist movement together in order to have enough material to fill an hour on PBS. Rarely, if ever has there ever been an examination of what McCarthy was actually doing.
McCarthy was simply one of many senators investigating (in closed session) a list of names of government employees that where suspected of being members of the American communist party. The list was developed through investigations by the FBI. Many were simply investigated and cleared, others where found GUILTY and dismissed quietly. Those sessions where not made public until democrats voted to make them public so they could filibuster and show-boat for the press and cameras. The reason; many of the goverment employees and staffers with communist ties worked for democrats.
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Mona · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:

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Rurik · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject:

First, anyone who knows anything about the Soviet system and the KGB, knows immediately that someone who was able to get a visa and visit Moscow on the spur of the moment in 1969, and then just travels around all by himself is definitely recruited and controlled. if anyone wishes further explanation, I'll do the dance for you.

Second. Everyone checking this forum really wants to read Charles McCarry's novel, "Lucky Bastard", Random House, 1998. Some thiings can better be told through a thinly ficitonalized account. The novel is the story of a poor but ambitious Ohio politician with a zipper problem. It is a hoot combined with a grimace. You owe it to yourself.

Consider the forumla: "An agent of a no-longer-existing power."

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nccjones · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject:

Mona · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:43 pm Post subject: