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[lookin4truth]

i am completely confused about the upcoming election....i have always voted strictly republican because they have always seemed to be closer to my 75% conservative opinions/beliefs....so as i am all poised to help re-elect Pres.Bush i,like many others concerned citizens,went to the theater to view Farenheit 9/11....i was blown away with the information that this movie contained....now before the masses tell me how biased Michael Moore is----I ALREADY KNOW HE IS.....however,if 10% of the guts of this documentary are correct-how in the world can we vote for Bush???i had decided i would vote "against" Bush by voting for Kerry and a friend tells me about this website....after spending allllllllllll morning reading some of the topics and their discussion i can't vote for Kerry either....
what is a hard working tax paying American father/citizen supposed to do???vote for Nader???that would be a mistake if i want my vote to account for anything imo because he has no chance to even be considered a serious candidate....if you have an opinion please help me out BUT please don't just tell me Michael Moore is a demon and i should know better....i want to really know the facts if anyone has them....my 3 sons are counting on their dad's opinion to influence the way they will vote....i'm tooooo confused to tell them now....

[ArmyMedicsMom]

Haven't seen the movie so what is the 10% you consider correct?

[SBD]

Since the focus of your post seems to be about Fahrenheit 911, here is the information you seek.

Go to this website to read the 59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 911
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

This is a 4 page summary PDF of the 59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 911
http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf


What people are saying..

...I was struck by the sheer cunningness of Moore's film. When you read Kopel, try to detach yourself from any revulsion you may feel at a work of literal propaganda receiving such wide-spread accolades from mainstream politicos, as well as attendance by your friends and neighbors.

Instead, notice the film's meticulousness in saying only (or mostly) "true" or defensible things in support of a completely misleading impression. In this way, Kopel's care in describing Moore's "deceits" is much more interesting than other critiques I have read, including that of Christopher Hitchens. Kopel's lawyerly description of Moore's claims shows the film to be a genuinely impressive accomplishment in a perverse sort of way (the way an ingenious crime is impressive)--a case study in how to convert elements that are mainly true into an impression that is entirely false--and this leads in turn to another thought.

If this much cleverness was required to create the inchoate "conspiracy" (whatever it may be, as it is never really specified by Moore), it suggests there was no such conspiracy. With this much care and effort invested in uncovering and massaging the data, if there really was a conspiracy of the kind Moore suggests, the evidence would line up more neatly behind it, rather than being made to do cartwheels so as to be "true" but oh-so-misleading. If the facts don't fit, shouldn't we acquit?

Rent the DVD
FarenHype 9/11 a new film which will released on DVD on October 5, 2004. Dave Kopel appears in the film. Go to http://www.fahrenhype911.com for details and a trailer.

A few people have been working on making Moore's movie truthful by pointing out the deceit right in the movie. Here is the first 20 minutes with the truth inserted.
TheTruthfulFahrenheit911
http://sandiego.reelectbushin2004.com/default.tpl?PageName=TheTruthfulFahrenheit911&PageID=48

I could go on and on about why Bush is the only choice and the best one. One thing you could keep in mind, whenever you see a Liberal pointing their finger at a Conservative, it is always to deflect the attention from themselves and their failures. It rarely has any basis in truth but they will keep saying it is true until everyone gets tired of hearing it and begins to accept it.

As far as Kerry, God help us all if this country elects a traitor as the most powerful man in the world.

I hope this helps,

SBD

[FF1047]

try this site to clarify the "truth" of Moore's film ...

http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2189/pub_detail.asp
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USNA class of 1980

[Son of a VET]

Get FahrenHYPE 9/11. It will clear things up for you. It will make you made as hell about what lies MM told in Farenheit 9/11. This is a must watch for all.
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Stolen Honor

[ArmyMedicsMom]

You can order the book and DVD here...
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=998048&TID=911DVD&IID=PRO:998048

And the site that FF1047 recomended is a good one, I've just read a little of what the site is explaining and it looks to me like the cash you spent on seeing the Moore movie could have been put to a better use.

[Tom Poole]

[baldeagl]

This election is very simple. If you love your children, you will vote for Bush. Not because he's a perfect man, but because if John Kerry becomes President, your sons will live to see this country destroyed. If that confuses you, then email me and we can talk privately for as long as you like.
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http://antimedia.blogspot.com/

[ArmyMedicsMom]

I went to Walmart and they had FahrenHYPE 9/11 and Fahrenheit 9/11. Lots of Moore DVD still on the dispay rack, only 3 of the FahreHYPE 9/11 left, one of which I bought and will view later today.

[frankzzz]

Lookin4truth,

I don’t get it. Since Moore’s movie was debunked months ago, why would you even consider letting it influence you? Should your son’s dad be conveying the message that he lets a Hollywood fat cat (who lies 90% of the time) influence his vote?

I received my copy of “Stolen Honor” last week and I believe 100% of its contents. I also believed 100% of what I read in “Unfit for Command” last month. So why would I even want to waste hard-earned money on something I already know is nothing but a bunch of lies?

Also, it sounds to me that, like a lot of Americans, you are in need of at least one more viable candidate on the ticket but, like a lot of Americans, you feel it’s up to everyone else to provide you with one. If you don’t like either Kerry or Bush; vote for Nader (assuming the democrats haven’t kept him off your ballot) and, if you don’t like him; write in a preference.

Stop and think about this. Had all of Nader’s people simply supported their candidate in the last election, there’s a good chance he would have been included in the debates this time around. However, because they did not want to take the time to build that necessary support, he is, once again, left out.

So, if you truly do care about the world your son’s are destined to live in, tell them the same thing I tell my daughter. Don’t live simply for today. Rather, take the long-range view. If you want certain things to be true twenty years from now, start working towards that goal today. Otherwise, you will wind up living in a world that was planned solely by others.

[llano]

For one you could read "Michael Moore is a big fat stupid white man". It has been out for about 3 months.

Also go to these sites, they even explain the LIES in his other movies like Bowling for Columbine. For instance, in the first scene of that "movie" he makes it look like he received a free gun right after signing up at a bank. Not true, not even close. They do not hand out guns at the bank, once had to drive 60 miles (or some distance) and still get a backgound check and the whole nine yards. Yet Moore-on makes it seem like he received the rifle within minutes, while it was within days.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/linksFAQ.html

http://www.centigrade911.com/

http://moorewatch.com

http://www.moorelies.com

There are many other sites by others that you would know. Even the well known Michael Isikof of Newsweek gives it a bad review.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

Finally, there are at least 3 documentaries out about Moore-ons' lies, YET, he has not sued a single person as he promised soon after the movie came out.

[1AD]

Somewhere in the recesses of my mind I remember a similar posting by someone who said they didn't know what to believe. May need some help here.

[Jazzoi]

[msindependent]

I see that you have not been back, why? Are you writing this for your husband? If you live close to L.A., you could talk with Dr. Susan Forward.
She has a very interesting take on Kerry that we women can understand.

[1AD]

Admin. Wasn't there a poster that went by "Mary" that was looking for the truth. She was deleted and then banned?