SwiftVets.com

ProudArmyWife · Seaman Recruit Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 29

The Army Times issue dated 9/27/04, contains a comparison of President Bush's and Kerry's service record....among the "highlights"....the article states that Bush "slacked off" the last two years of his National Guard Service, that former Lt Govenor Barnes verified he "helped" get Bush into the Air National Guard, that Bush ignored a direct order to receive his physical, that Bush left the Guard without completing his full obligation, and that the elderly secretary verified that although she didn't type the Fraud Memos....that their content was true.... (I cannot understand how the ArmyTime's cannot calculate National Guard points/time, how it fails to mention Barnes' gave previous testimony stating no favoritism, etc....etc...)

Then the article addresses Kerry's service and says that the documents back Kerry's version up, implies & dismisses most of the Swift Vet comments as wrong, relates that Kerry "only" referenced war crimes other soldiers told him had occurred, and that memories are clouded by politics.... it also reports Kerry received excellent evaluations....nothing about how he managed to "complete" his service obligation.....(Oh, it does kinda mention Kerry's version of being in Cambodia at Christmas but states that he was "on the border" so it's not quite a lie....my paraphrase...)

My husband plans to write a letter to the editor....he says the Army really has nothing to do with the paper...it's contracted out...(via CBS perhaps??) thought maybe some of you military people might want to check it out.

msindependent · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:09 am Post subject:

I've wondered about them also. I saw the website a few months back and things didn't seem right, so I didn't go back.

Nathanyl · PO3 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

I did a little research on the backround of the reporter that wrote-up that comparison and he leans quite a bit to the left from what I could ascertain from other articles he's done.
_________________
Bill Hershey
www.worldwar4.net

cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

The Army Times is a leftist rag.

The only good part about it is that it has the cut-off scores for promotions.
_________________
USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92

neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

I think it is now owned by USA Today.
_________________
US Army Security Agency
1965-1971

PatS · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:01 am Post subject:

I posted before somewhere in the forum about the ArmyTimes posting a link to President Bush's Military 'documents.' Included in the 'documents' were the CBS memos with a small disclaimer that the authenticity of the memos had not been verified!

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

We stopped subscribing to Navy Times several years ago - it's left, left, left... and actually anti-military.

We were getting it mostly for the promotions and retirements and Navy news, but the editorial slant made it impossible to support, after a while.
_________________
~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

Jim Peterson · Seaman Recruit Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 27

Hey All;

Years back, the Army Times changed an editor or something like that. They published the bio in the times and I remember that no where was any military service listed.

They are like other print media, just a tad bit closer to the middle then the rest. To me, 50% of the first six pages and the editorial are slanted left most of the time.
_________________
Pete

Training Aid for the staff Mar 74-Apr 95

ProudArmyWife · Seaman Recruit Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 29

Hmmm, your alls (yes I'm from the South) information, explained a lot (USA Today...that figures). I noticed some "off" comments a few times, but thought I was being too picky... I just never expected something called "ArmyTimes" to use "discredited/fraudulent" information in reporting on Presdient Bush's Guard service. I wasn't too surprised on the "pass" they gave Kerry, knowing that dinosaurs can only read "offical documents".... and you have to kick it's tail a whole lot to get it to move (not unlike the Army itself in some respects).

I wanted to cancel our subscription, but my husband says he skips over "that stuff" to get to the promotions, cutoff scores, etc... and the rest hits the trash.