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[Barbie2004]

I just heard Felos say there will be an autopsy, by the county coroner.

I have little faith that it will produce anything incriminating.

Can always hope that that county coroner is not as corrupt as the judge, hospice, and other players.

I did not hear whether they will allow Terri to have her Catholic burial.

[Tanya]

Jon R. Thogmartin, M.D is to be the Medical examiner.

http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/

My prayers are with Terri and her family

[Tanya]

http://www.clwbar.org/resipsa/june-july01/article396.html

"Dr. Thogmartin was Associate Medical Examiner in Broward County and Dade County before becoming District 15 Medical Examiner in Palm Beach County in April 1999, a position he left in November 1999 to accept the position in Pinellas and Pasco. Licensed in both Florida and Texas, Mr. Thogmartin is also certified in Anatomic, Clinical and Forensic Pathology by the American Board of Pathology.

Jon Thogmartin has been honored by the Alpha Omega Alpha Medical Honor Society (1989), Phi Beta Kappa (1986), and Robert Stewart Hyer Society (1985). He also received the Silver Medal of Valor from the Metro-Dade Police Department in November 1996. Jon Thogmartin has been accepted as an expert in the field of Forensic Pathology in U.S. Federal Court and in the Circuit Courts of Dade, Broward, Palm Beach County and the State of Michigan. His major fields of interest are wound ballistics, firearms, infant deaths, child abuse, asphyxia, and forensic toxicology."

[Barbie2004]

I hope his ethics are as high as his skills.

[srmorton]

From what I have read in The Empire Journal about the incestuous
relationship among the various governmental agencies in that county,
I would not hold out much hope that the autopsy will reveal any
surprises. The only way you could be sure of an unbiased report would
be to get her completely out of the state of Florida.

www.theempirejournal.com
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Susan R. Morton

[Barbie2004]

Yes, Felos was too smurky today.

[msindependent]

Was I tripping or did Felos say that the hospice gave Terri a morphine suppository the night of the 26th due to low moaning during today's news conference? I was watching it on Fox when they broke in with something else and I changed to cnn to catch the rest. I can't find a transcript online.

[becca1223]

I found this regarding Terri's "exit protocol" - -

http://www.infowars.com/articles/life/schiavo_terris_exit_protocol.htm

"If someone in a persistent vegetative state cannot feel pain, as Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, have consistently told the world, why do Terri’s charts tell nurses how to treat her for pain?"

[LewWaters]

The reporter for Foxnews said tonight that an autopsy is mandated before cremation, by state law. So much for his change of heart.

However, a devious thought came to me about his motive anyway, even if a bit over the top.

If an autopsy shows her brain isn't as bad off as the doctors say and he has been using to kill her, might he again file another lawsuit against the doctors and hospice?????

I have no proof or evidence, just a thought and given his conduct from the beginning, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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Clark County Conservative

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[shawa]

Here is the Florida Statute (bold emphasis mine)
I would feel far more assured about the process and results of an autopsy
If Dr. Michael Baden (forensic expert) were allowed to observe.

CREMATION APPROVAL (Florida Statutes 406.11(1)(c)

A. All requests for cremation must be approved by the Medical Examiner prior to the actual cremation.

1. Before authorizing the irretrievable disposal of a body by cremation, the Medical Examiner must [b]be assured that no future question will arise about the cause or circumstances of the death of the individual.

2. The death, if previously unreported to the Medical Examiner, must first be verified as a non-Medical Examiner case according to Florida Statutes, 406.11.

B. Approval of a cremation, and accepting the responsibility for irretrievably destroying potential evidence, is a decision based on the quality of the information on the death certificate. The death certificate should be accompanied by a CREMATION APPROVAL FORM filled out by the attending physician to demonstrate that the death was due to natural causes. The cause of death on the death certificate must be sufficient to:

1. rule out trauma,

2. identify the immediate cause(s) of death, i.e. septicemia, peritonitis, bronchopneumonia, renal failure, etc., and

3. identify the underlying or proximate cause of death - the “due to” disease or injury responsible for initiating the lethal sequence of events

C. The most common pitfalls this office encounters with causes of death are:

1. failure to state the underlying cause of death;

2. scrambling of immediate and underlying causes of death; and

3. listing extraneous data in the section entitled 'Other Significant Conditions'. The section 'Other Significant Conditions' (Part II) should be used only for those conditions that contribute to death, but are unrelated to the cause(s) listed in Part I.

D. The CREMATION APPROVAL FORM is often helpful in clarifying the cause of death as well as providing additional medical history that assures that the death was not by violence.

·Words like subdural, fracture, sepsis, fall, trauma, cardiac arrest, heart failure, hemiplegia, quadriplegia, paraplegia, and shock are mechanism of death and typically do not explain a natural death, and may indicate a traumatic origin.
It is necessary to rule out traumatic underlying causes or identify the natural disease processes, which resulted in the cardiac arrest, for example.

E. The procedure used to obtain and validate the approval of the Medical Examiner for a cremation, dissection (i.e. Anatomical Board) or burial at sea can be done in one of two ways.

1. The funeral home or direct disposer may bring the completed Burial Transit Permit, CREMATION APPROVAL FORM and the signed death certificate, with the cause of death section legibly completed to this office for approval between the hours of 8:00 am to 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday; or,

2. The funeral home or direct disposer may fax to this office (at 727-582-6820, 24 hours a day) the CREMATION APPROVAL FORM and signed death certificate with the cause of death section legibly completed. Approval will be made and the cremation approval document will be faxed back to the requesting funeral home, generally between the hours of 8:00 am to 4:00 pm, seven days a week (excluding holidays). In certain circumstances, the cremation approval information will be provided to the requesting funeral home by return phone call, generally between the hours of 8:00 am to 4:00 p.m. seven days a week (excluding holidays).

F. Prior to submission of the death certificate to the Office of Vital Statistics, the cremation approval case number must be placed:

1. on the WHITE copy of the burial transit permit in Section C on the ‘Signature’ line; and

2. on the death certificate at the bottom right hand corner of the backside.

(NOTE: use only light pencil because any dark ink will show through on the front and force Vital Statistics to have the funeral home redo the death certificate.

G. Due to the 11,000+ approvals handled each year the Medical Examiner's Office limits approval times to 8:00 am to 4:00 p.m. seven days a week (excluding holidays) to permit adequate time for staff investigation of cause of death. Additional phone calls will be made to the requesting funeral home or direct disposer whenever additional death certificate information is required because it fails to adequately explain a non-traumatic (i.e. non-medical examiner) cause of death.

H. Please note that on the death certificate Box 28 “Case Reported to Medical Examiner? (Yes or No)” does refer to cremation approval in addition to deaths reported for investigation to determine if the death falls under the medical examiner’s jurisdiction. This box must have a “Yes” if a cremation approval was given.
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“I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.” (Thomas Paine, 1776)

[Tanya]

Could it be they(Michael and lawyers) were informed that considering all the accusations of abuse that there will be an autopsy?

Note number 8.

Legal Jurisdiction F.S. 406. 11 [Top]

Death must be investigated by the Medical Examiner whenever a person dies:

1. of criminal violence
2. by accident
3. by suicide
4. suddenly, when in apparent good health,
5. unattended by a practicing physician,
6. in any prison or penal institution
7. in police custody
8. in any suspicious or unusual circumstance
9. by criminal abortion
10. by poison
11. by disease constituting a threat to public health
12. by disease, injury, or toxic agent resulting from employment.

http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/faq/faq.htm

[shawa]

From the CREMATION APPROVAL (Florida Statutes 406.11(1)(c)

[Tanya]

"Independent Medical Examiner Must Attend Schiavo Autopsy;
Web of Deception Extends Into FDLE Commission"

http://www.theempirejournal.com/329051_independent_medical_exami.htm

I don't think we will ever know the truth

[shawa]

Apparently, Felos believes that the autopsy can be whitewashed because
Terri's brain will be so shrunken from dehydration that it will be impossible
to determine anything credible regarding extent of injuries.

From Tanya's link above: