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wwIIvetsdaughter Captain
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 513 Location: McAllen, Texas
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: DOES YOUR CITY HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN? |
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In thinking about this disaster in NOLA, I wonder, how many cities (regardless of size) have a plan in place for total evacuation? Now before you say "my city is not subject to hurricanes, earthquakes or stuff like that", remember in the Age of Islamic Terrorism, a radiological, nuclear or biological agent could warrant the total evacuation of a city. Hurricanes give warning at least. In the event of a man-made disaster, there would be little or no time to prepare. If the NOLA template is applied, it would take 2-3 days for 80% of the population to flee by private vehicle. That still leaves many behind. The oft ridicled PSAs about having a personal plan in case of a terror attack should now sound like wise words of advice. |
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Demaris Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Katy, TX
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty sure that we in the Houston area have one in place, considering all the hurricanes and tropical storms we're frequently subject to. The city has had major flooding in many low lying areas practically every winter for the past few years.
At least, I like to think we're prepared for the worst. |
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Anker-Klanker Admiral
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Richardson, TX
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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NO had a disaster relief plan, and an evacuation plan! So the next question is: will your local officials follow the plan (do they even know about it?) and not choke like we saw happen last week? That last question is the one that scares me. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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For me, I don't care if they have a plan or not. There are too many roads out of town for me to wait for city to come get me. I have camping gear all packed and ready to go in my garage and can pack some clean things in a back pack in minutes.
Living about 50 miles south of Mt. St. Helens, I believe in being prepared. _________________ Clark County Conservative |
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mtboone Founder
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 470 Location: Kansas City, MO.
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: |
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The plan is always simple. Get out of Dodge or take position Bravo, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. _________________ Terry Boone PCF 90
Qui Nhon 68-69 |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Just ran across this upcoming article about their evacuation plan
Quote: | For those who could drive, local officials developed a new counter-flow traffic plan that worked much better for Katrina.
For the estimated 134,000 New Orleans residents without vehicles, the city produced a DVD that was sent out to churches and community groups, urging them to leave town but admitting the government could not take them."
You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," local Red Cross executive director Kay Wilkins explained to the Times-Picayune six weeks ago."
If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you, but we don't have the transportation." |
The article also states
Quote: | Indeed, as Katrina bore down on New Orleans last weekend, Mayor Ray Nagin marshaled a fleet of city buses - not to take the city's poor out of town but to the large shelter at the Superdome, where civil order would fall apart as the week progressed.
"Keep in mind, a hurricane, a Cat 5, with high winds, most likely will knock out all electricity in the city, and, therefore, the Superdome is not going to be a very comfortable place at some point in time," Nagin warned on Sunday. "So we're encouraging everyone to leave." |
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/12540831.htm
Nearly 500 City and School buses sat idle throughout the hurricane and flooding. One 17 year old commandeered a bus and drove over 70 people to safety in Houston. Where was Mayor Nagin??????? |
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BuffaloJack Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1637 Location: Buffalo, New York
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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http://www.worldthreats.com/al-qaeda_terrorism/Interview_with_Paul.htm
Nuclear 9/11: Interview with Dr. Paul L. Williams
http://www.worldthreats.com/al-qaeda_terrorism/Interview_with_Paul.htm
The business of the day doesn't have to be weather disasters it might take the form of Nuclear 9/11.
You'd need to know what the prevailing winds are and what roads to take to get out of the way. And you have to be ready to, as Terry says, "To Get Out of Dodge".
This New Orleans disaster is staggering, but just imagine if it involved a dirty bomb, nerve agents, biological weapons, or a nuke. This is the kind of scenario that we need to be prepared for. If we are prepared for these disasters then dealing with natural disasters will just come naturally. _________________ Swift Boats - Qui Nhon (12/69-4/70), Cat Lo (4/70-5/70), Vung Tau (5/70-12/71) |
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Anker-Klanker Admiral
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Richardson, TX
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: |
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C'mon folks. I appreciate the words of self-sufficiency and all, but...
Every community from small to city size has a percentage of people who need help. I'm not talking about the idiots who can get out and won't. I'm talking about the elderly the invalids, etc., i.e., the people who really can't get out without assistance.
So we're all just supposed to cut and run and take care of ourselves, huh?
Please rethink those responses. |
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rparrott21 Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 760 Location: Mckinney, Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:28 am Post subject: |
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We need to bring back the Civil Defense........ |
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USAFE5 PO2
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 362 Location: Reno Nevada
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Well in Vegas I think it's a plan of which casino to gamble your last minutes away in. We have two whole highways - no real freeways - and one leads to Utah or California, the other to Reno or Arizona. We already have been nuked to a minor degree back when they did the above ground testing, but in reality there is no where to go from here. _________________ "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I’m here to help." Ronald Reagan |
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Armybrat/Armymom Commander
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 335 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: |
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To answer the question "Does your city have an evacuation plan? I'd have to say a big "NO" here in Austin. |
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dusty Admiral
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 1264 Location: East Texas
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Armybrat/Armymom wrote: | To answer the question "Does your city have an evacuation plan? I'd have to say a big "NO" here in Austin. |
In Austin I thought it was for everyone to go to 'Hippie Hollow' and 'hang out'. _________________ Left and Wrong are the opposite of Right! |
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coldwarvet Admiral
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 1125 Location: Minnetonka, MN
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:56 am Post subject: |
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LewWaters wrote: | Just ran across this upcoming article about their evacuation plan
Quote: | For those who could drive, local officials developed a new counter-flow traffic plan that worked much better for Katrina.
For the estimated 134,000 New Orleans residents without vehicles, the city produced a DVD that was sent out to churches and community groups, urging them to leave town but admitting the government could not take them."
You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," local Red Cross executive director Kay Wilkins explained to the Times-Picayune six weeks ago."
If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you, but we don't have the transportation." |
The article also states
Quote: | Indeed, as Katrina bore down on New Orleans last weekend, Mayor Ray Nagin marshaled a fleet of city buses - not to take the city's poor out of town but to the large shelter at the Superdome, where civil order would fall apart as the week progressed.
"Keep in mind, a hurricane, a Cat 5, with high winds, most likely will knock out all electricity in the city, and, therefore, the Superdome is not going to be a very comfortable place at some point in time," Nagin warned on Sunday. "So we're encouraging everyone to leave." |
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/12540831.htm
Nearly 500 City and School buses sat idle throughout the hurricane and flooding. One 17 year old commandeered a bus and drove over 70 people to safety in Houston. Where was Mayor Nagin??????? |
My brain tells me that cat 5 Katrina is bearing down on me. She has a 20' - 30' sea wall and I live below sea level. Perhaps it is time for me to get off my butt for an uphill hike. The Super dome is within 10 miles of most the victims.
Did the authorities or media ever even sugest that they should go for an uphill hike? _________________ Defender of the honor of those in harms way keeping us out of harms way.
"Peace is our Profession"
Strategic Air Command - Motto
USAF 75-79 Security Police |
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Armybrat/Armymom Commander
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 335 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: |
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dusty wrote: | Armybrat/Armymom wrote: | To answer the question "Does your city have an evacuation plan? I'd have to say a big "NO" here in Austin. |
In Austin I thought it was for everyone to go to 'Hippie Hollow' and 'hang out'. |
Only if you're alternatively challenged. |
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AMOS Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 558 Location: IOWA
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject: Key Words.. |
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My brain tells me that cat 5 Katrina is bearing down on me. She has a 20' - 30' sea wall and I live below sea level. Perhaps it is time for me to get off my butt for an uphill hike.
Key words: "I live below sea level"..............I guess I missed sumpin. Why not walk out into the ocean, build a sea wall, bail it out and then build a house? Here in the Midwest, we build on high ground. When it rains we watch where the water flows, build a dam and a pond eventually forms, over which our home (on high ground) can overlook. |
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