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[jwb7605]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/29/051129134157.iq7vlpbg.html

What's up with this?
I thought "global" meant "global", not 'european', which is a subset of global.

Maybe "wimmen and childern will be affected the most"?

[BuffaloJack]

The Earth under went an event called "The Little Ice Age" it lasted about 550 years, from the 1300's until the mid-1800's, just before the American Civil War. Scientists attribute "The Little Ice Age" to decreased output from the sun. They now say we have a slightly increased solar output. The fact that our climate is getting warmer isn't anything magic. Geological time speaking, we just left an Ice Age; it's suposed to get warmer.

If the Europeans are claiming that they are receiving higher average temperatures than the global average temperature, so what? Have they never heard of the Gulf Stream? The temperatures across the planet are not homogeneously distributed. Of course some areas are warmer than others. It they weren't we wouldn't have changes in weather, and people in New York wouldn't want to move to the Carolinas.
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[GM Strong]

That's why they are freezing their arses right now. Most of the hot air comes from France and other socialist politicos.
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[Me#1You#10]

My familiarity with the scientific foundations of the "global warming" argument are next to nothing although, from what I HAVE read, proponents of Kyoto seem to coalesce uncomfortably around anti-American and ideological motivations.

A bit of Googling produced the following. While I've no doubt that a tsunami of rebuttal material might easily be found, it does introduce what appears to be a fundamental flaw in the scientific argument of Kyoto proponents, the significance of "water vapor" in the equation which, according to the author, they'd rather not talk about.

It's not very long and is nicely presented with illuminating graphics. (all emphasis is in the original article)

[BuffaloJack]

The Green People seem to complete ignore the fact that the global warming that the Earth is experiencing isn't confined to the Earth. Mars is also undergoing a global warming phenomena that tracks ours nearly one to one (although somewhat diminished from ours due to the greater distance Mars is from the Sun and the fact that Mars has a thinner atmosphere.) Could the Martians be polluting their atmosphere with the the by products of fossil fuels like we have been accused of?
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[jwb7605]

Now that we've acknowledged politics, I have to add the questions:
(a) why would a bunch of anti-U.S. "scientists" do this to their OWN people?
... note that they want laws regulating Europe going into effect.
(b) why would they want these laws while acknowledging or claiming that any effect on the rest of the world will happen?
(c) how come other smaller land masses (let's say Japan, just as an example) are NOT mentioned?

BTW: the Gulf Stream ... it's called that because it comes from Florida? Must be our fault ... as soon as they hear about it, we're really in trouble.

[GenrXr]

MIT Professor Richard Lindzen is one of if not the worlds leading climatoligist.

Recommended reading for anyone interested in the Global Warming Debate.

Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus

Laboratory Earth Book Review

Warming The Debate
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[I B Squidly]

Kyoto does not apply to the majority of the human biomass, India and China leaving their developing industries to churn out polutants unrestrained. It's one of those feel-good, do-nothing nortrums that gives its proponents an undeserved sanctimony. When you realize Mt. Pinatubo in one afternoon released more CO2 and SO2 then the entirety of man's industrial history you just have to laugh at these true believers.

As for Earth's climate we don't even know that we're out of the last ice age. It's advanced with ice sheets 5 times in the last several million years with temperate interims of 25-100,000 years and we're only 10k into the current thaw. One of the more interesting theories posits that the rise of the Himalayas (the Andes are of similar vintage) some 20 million years ago was the trigger. Rain carries CO2 out of the atmosphere and the towering slopes worked as wick carriing all that CO2 to the ocean and cooling the air.

Ice ages are one thing and we've had dozens of them since the Cambrian era. Recent discoveries indicate that about 750 million years ago, just over the edge of the geologic record the globe froze. Not a simple ice crust with narrowed temperate zones at the equator; we're talking frozen solid. Life was reduced to extremo-philes and inorganic matter suffered molecular failure. All that went before was erased and there's no way of knowing how often it may have happened in the previous 3.25 billion years. Seeing what we've risen to in the last 600 million years from single cell life it's curious what may have occured earlier.

"The Day After Tomorrow" put forth that industrial pollution was melting polar ice, altering the density of the Gulf Stream and triggering a new ice age. Of course no one asks what triggered the last ice age when there was no industrial pollution and the Gulf was unformed.
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[GM Strong]

I have two questions.

As we have only been recording temperatures for about 150 years, much less than accurately , how can so called enviromental scientists base anything on data supposedly 500 or more years in the past?

Why are the Ice caps on Mars melting? It not Auto emissions or animal flatulence.
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[GM Strong]

[George F. Thompson]

Has anyone checked out the correlation of the manduer minimum in relationship to climate change as compared to weather change? During the mini-ice age 1300A.D. to 1800A.D. the Manduer minimum determined the sun's output was decreased by .5% to 1%, now the suns output may possibly have increased by .5% to 1%. Seems like a natural, cyclic type of event to me. Oh, By the way, Canada was a signer of the Kyoto protocol and had agreed to reduce their green house gas emmissions by 6% , their green house gas production has increased to 24% in the past few years. Guess what the United States production was, it actually decreased. Check it out on Lucianne.com or the Globemail.com 11/28/05.

George F. Thompson

[GenrXr]

[PhantomSgt]

[homesteader]

Just read that due to global warming, Europe is about to experience a mini ice-age. Huh??????