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swing votr Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 85
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:00 pm Post subject: Another SBVFT/Bush Connection |
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Boston.com Article
SBVFT need to stop shooting themselves in the foot. While I understand that this link is IMO not very credible, we are only giving them more and more Ammunition to discredit.
Does this organization ask its volunteers/employees/donators what affiliations it has with the President? I think it would be wise to unload (sorry if this doesn't sound polite) anyone that could cause negative press as soon as possible. Not that their help isn't appreciated, but causing stories like this is better to get out of the way now, then come election time!!!
Side note, I love how he gave up helping the president to help this site, instead of Vice Versa. _________________ "I already don't miss it," he said of Washington. Asked to elaborate, he replied: "You know that great feeling you get when you stop banging your head against a wall?" |
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Lily Lieutenant
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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This is old news and only desperate dems would see a connection here. Surely SBVT are allowed legal representation. |
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Polaris Rear Admiral
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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swingvotr,
Don't worry; it's bogus. The Dems are going to drop this like a hot rock. A lot of us have already emailed various media outlets that the Democrats have a lot more lawyers working for them and various 527s. Furthermore, the lawyer in question immediately resigned.
It's silly anyway. What firm lawyer doesn't have a large client list. Even the FEC came out and said that it was prima facia legal. _________________ -Polaris
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rb325th Admiral
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Even an attack dog for kerry admitted that this is no big deal as there are very few qualified Election Attornies out there. He of course tried to go on a rant about "other" connections and how the "other guy yadda yadda yadda" but the door was slammed shut by the reporter saying that was not relevant to the question! _________________ U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT |
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swing votr Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 85
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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But are the Vets being more careful in the help they allow?
Its never a good thing to give out ammo like this, and come election time if stuff came out, it could be worse? _________________ "I already don't miss it," he said of Washington. Asked to elaborate, he replied: "You know that great feeling you get when you stop banging your head against a wall?" |
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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There is provision for legal counsil, however, the resignation was most likely pre-emptitive to AVOID the appearance of impropriety, not that there was any.
It is tilting at windmills, especially since the DNC and several of their associated 527s share counsil.
The name of the game is not to prevent mud getting slung on you, it's ensuring it doesn't stick. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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Polaris Rear Admiral
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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swing votr,
I think they are being as careful as they can be, but McCain-Feingold is a morass of technicalties....and the Dems are trying to exploit this. Not exactly new for them I might add. _________________ -Polaris
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llano Seaman
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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There was a democratic strategist on Dayside (sp) today and he said that there are very few lawyers with that expertise in politics and that the Kerry-Edwards has several lawyers who also advise 527s. Then he was asked if they were going to resign also. He hee-hawed around implying that they would not resign.
Additionally, in the initial story yesterday another DNC spokesman thought nothing of it. One can find his name at the end of that story. _________________ Home in Lubbock Texas, home of the Vietnam Project at Texas Tech University. A place visited frequently by Navy Chief. |
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Twidget Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 46
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Just an obervation based on personal experience...the people most likely to call themselves "swing voters" (usually from battleground states, too) on internet forums are rabid partisans. |
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Jungle_rat Lt.Jg.
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 106 Location: Geyserville, CA
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | It is tilting at windmills, especially since the DNC and several of their associated 527s share counsil. |
I disagree. It tends to paint the SBVT group with the same brush as MoveOn.org.
Remember, it's not what you or your lawyer thinks along narrow legalistic definitions. It's what the public, donors and undecided voters think...or suspect. Appearances do matter.
SBVT, PLEASE do everything you can to eliminate these connections. Having your key people disclose their affiliations (incl. professional affiliations) with either of the political parties would help restore trust.
Most non-libs have a pretty good nose for BS. The libs have no capacity for rational thought. _________________ "Medals do not make a man. Morals do."-Don Bendell |
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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When a lawyer from the Kerry campaign admits that there's nothing to it, it tends to take the wind out of the media's sails.
It's dead, Jim. _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
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Jungle_rat Lt.Jg.
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 106 Location: Geyserville, CA
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | When a lawyer from the Kerry campaign admits that there's nothing to it, it tends to take the steam out of the media's sails. |
What part of that assurance should we take comfort in...that it's coming from the Kerry campaign, or that it's coming from his lawyer who's probably himself in flagrant violation of the law? _________________ "Medals do not make a man. Morals do."-Don Bendell |
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Take comfort in finding the past threads on this topic and seeing how quickly this was taken apart for the nothing it was. _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
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fortdixlover Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 1476
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Another SBVFT/Bush Connection |
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swing votr wrote: | Boston.com Article
SBVFT need to stop shooting themselves in the foot. While I understand that this link is IMO not very credible, we are only giving them more and more Ammunition to discredit.
Does this organization ask its volunteers/employees/donators what affiliations it has with the President? I think it would be wise to unload (sorry if this doesn't sound polite) anyone that could cause negative press as soon as possible. Not that their help isn't appreciated, but causing stories like this is better to get out of the way now, then come election time!!!
Side note, I love how he gave up helping the president to help this site, instead of Vice Versa. |
Mr. Kerry,
I repeat:
My dog relieved itself on the lawn of someone whose grandmother's ex-fiance was once a Republican.
The Bush campaign is therefore connected to the SwiftVets.
Sue me!
-- FDL |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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swing votr wrote: | But are the Vets being more careful in the help they allow?
Its never a good thing to give out ammo like this, and come election time if stuff came out, it could be worse? |
Methinks thou protest too much and possibly worry not at all. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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