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dmackto
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jataylor11 - WEALTHY - $2.00 ( 0 WEALTHY, WEALTHIEST 4x and said richest one time)
Kathy Kay - HALLIBURTON - $10.00 (0 times) Sad
reconflyer - random un-famous person by name - $5.00 (think Billy Bob) (a group of native americans gave him a blessing?)
reconflyer - WEALTHIEST - $0.25 (4x.25=1.00)
ArmyMedicsMom - BUT - $0.50 (she's either very brave, very rich or slightly nuts) 79x.50=39.50

RMalloy - drugs from Canada - $2.00
RMalloy - MIDDLE CLASS - $2.00
RMalloy - 40,000 more troops - $5.00
shadowy - for every friendly country, class or religious group JK disses - $5.00
shadowy - for every non-friendly he appeases - $5.00
shadowy - if he disses the military - $20.00
homesteader - BUT - $0.50 (79x.50=39.50)
Jack Mclaughlin - if Bush reaches 40% in any MSM poll - $200.00 (talk about playing it safe!)



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Cash Totals

Tacan70UDN $ 50.00
scot 250.00
Rdtf 25.00
jim_nyc 50.00
Nomorelies 50.00
CTW 250.00
1991932 120.00
richnlori2000 25.00
jerake 50.00
Daniel J. Hutchinson 50.00
oanakat 100.00
geo 20.00
frigatesailor 150.00
Dingbat 50.00
ashter 50.00
ord33 50.00
Melissa 50.00
Dmackto 10.00
hleone 50.00
fastrock 100.00
mckmz 25.00

SubTotal: $ 1550.00
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jataylor11
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay -- read through the thread --- thanks for the laughs Laughing Laughing
and the tears Crying or Very sad

Wealthy/Rich only said 5 times --- so forget the $2.00 --- Here is $100.00 -- donated on-line.

My thoughts: I agree with Bill Kristol --- President Bush won on almost every question --- a draw on a couple. President Bush did very well --- his answers on Faith, Gay Marriage, and Abortion were the best, well reasoned -- did not scare the base or the middle.

President Bush also smacked Kerry down on several occasions ---

I noticed that Kerry never actuall provided any answers all of his answers were just observations or declarations -- I saw, I will --- without any substance or details. Or except for the litmus test for judicial appointments.

It is morning, and I am looking forward to today.

I will also state that the answer on faith moved me. I started praying at 8:50 (actually I prayed throught out the day) and that same sense of peace that President Bush mentioned also filled me (saved the TV in my house).

I think President Bush's emphasis on education was correctly placed -- it is obvious that a substantial part of America needs further education --- we need to start with everyone who pulls the lever for Kerry -- they obviously are missing the basic skills in reason, logic, and comprehension.


Also, Bob Schieffer did very well -- his questions were fair, interesting and not overly baiting on either side. I will have to commend him on the job he did -- so much better than Leftie Lehrer, and even better than the town hall.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Hanna and others: I went to the contribution section on this board and added $50.00 to my $200.00 pledge for a total of $250.00 because regardless of MSM polls we all know Pres. Bush won. Also, because we let Schieffer know we would be watching he did a credible job.
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Kathy Kay
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cash Totals

Tacan70UDN $ 50.00
scot 250.00
Rdtf 25.00
jim_nyc 50.00
Nomorelies 50.00
TW 100.00
CTW 100.00
1991932 120.00
richnlori2000 25.00

SubTotal: $ 770.00
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No Halliburton but I'm making a contribution anyway
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wally626
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The historian Doris Kerns- Goodwin (sp?) said on Imus this morning that she was watching with 10 dems and they all said Bush won on style. Of course they would never admit on substance. She was confused on why the snap pools had Kerry wining.

Assuming polls are not deliberately biased for Kerry. Probable biases in polls:

1. More dems than Rebs watched and pollers only questions those who actually watched.

2. Reps hang up more on pollsters than Dems

3. Reps went to bed after debate and didn't asnwer phone

4. Most people that were up were in California.

5. Reps went on line to Swiftvets.com and tied up their phone lines

Polls would required a lot of adjustments to take into account percent of call answers that fit in different catagories and so forth. something I'm sure is not done on snap polls
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Paul R.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody know if the debate will be replayed today. I screwed up on the audio when I recorded it. (MY old VCR was in "simulcast" mode & I missed it!)

Thanks.
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kmudd
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul R. wrote:
Anybody know if the debate will be replayed today. I screwed up on the audio when I recorded it. (MY old VCR was in "simulcast" mode & I missed it!)

Thanks.


C-span will have it I think. Also if is available online at several websites.
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The Balloon Artist
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missed the debate last night. Was listening to radio late and commentator sounded negative on Bush's performance. Turned on Swiftvets and read entire thread.

Just reading commnents made me feel a lot better and was thourghly entertained. Anything the MSM says is spin. The morning I hear a clip of Bush saying, "Your views are so far left that Kennedy is called the conservative senator from Massachusettes".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tacan70UDN wrote:
FWIW - I think this was the President's best performance in a debate. He really took it to Kerry. The President had lots of substance; Kerry nothing but tripe. I think Bush won, but I'll bet the MSM call it a tie or a win for Kerry.


From all that I have heard and seen on TV so far today, it seems that that is exactly what happened. What the hell planet do these idiot so-called journalists live on? What qualifies them to make such judgments in any case, and why should we listen to them? None of them, including some on Fox, have absolutely no credibility with me.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OKLady wrote:
Mary Beth Cahill is on Fox - when asked she said it was ok for Cheney's daughter to be talked about since she is a major figure in the election?!?!

I would assume that the candidates for Pres, VP and perhaps the spouses since they also represent the country - but the adult child??


E.D. Hill on Fox and Friends this morning made an interesting comment, to the effect that as a mother, she alone could have the liberty of talking about HER child, but she could not give that same liberty to someone she did not know from Adam. Exactly, and I am sure that you ladies out there who are mothers can perfectly relate to that, as can the fathers.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jataylor11 wrote:
Okay -- read through the thread --- thanks for the laughs Laughing Laughing
and the tears Crying or Very sad

Wealthy/Rich only said 5 times --- so forget the $2.00 --- Here is $100.00 -- donated on-line.

My thoughts: I agree with Bill Kristol --- President Bush won on almost every question --- a draw on a couple. President Bush did very well --- his answers on Faith, Gay Marriage, and Abortion were the best, well reasoned -- did not scare the base or the middle.

President Bush also smacked Kerry down on several occasions ---

I noticed that Kerry never actuall provided any answers all of his answers were just observations or declarations -- I saw, I will --- without any substance or details. Or except for the litmus test for judicial appointments.

It is morning, and I am looking forward to today.

I will also state that the answer on faith moved me. I started praying at 8:50 (actually I prayed throught out the day) and that same sense of peace that President Bush mentioned also filled me (saved the TV in my house).

I think President Bush's emphasis on education was correctly placed -- it is obvious that a substantial part of America needs further education --- we need to start with everyone who pulls the lever for Kerry -- they obviously are missing the basic skills in reason, logic, and comprehension.


Also, Bob Schieffer did very well -- his questions were fair, interesting and not overly baiting on either side. I will have to commend him on the job he did -- so much better than Leftie Lehrer, and even better than the town hall.



I, for one, would have loved to see W simply say that, the Senator has a plan for this, a plan for that, til he is blue in the face. A plan is not a litany of complaints (good line there, that he used). To date, the Senator has spoken of numerous plans to solve problems and issues, but he has given absolutely NO details on the what and how of his plans. Nothing. He is an empty suit. Senator, tell us the details of your plan for ------ (fill in the blank) and how exactly you will pay for it and how you will execute it. How can we know exactly WHAT you stand for if you are unwilling or unable to explain it to us???


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dmackto
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmackto wrote:
Quote:
PLEDGES

reconflyer - random un-famous person by name - $5.00 (think Billy Bob) (a group of native americans gave him a blessing?)
reconflyer - WEALTHIEST - $0.25 (4x.25=1.00)
ArmyMedicsMom - BUT - $0.50 (she's either very brave, very rich or slightly nuts) 79x.50=39.50
RMalloy - drugs from Canada - $2.00
RMalloy - MIDDLE CLASS - $2.00
RMalloy - 40,000 more troops - $5.00
shadowy - for every friendly country, class or religious group JK disses - $5.00
shadowy - for every non-friendly he appeases - $5.00
shadowy - if he disses the military - $20.00
homesteader - BUT - $0.50 (79x.50=39.50)


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Cash Totals

Tacan70UDN $ 50.00
scot 250.00
Rdtf 25.00
jim_nyc 50.00
Nomorelies 50.00
CTW 250.00
1991932 120.00
richnlori2000 25.00
jerake 50.00
Daniel J. Hutchinson 50.00
oanakat 100.00
geo 20.00
frigatesailor 150.00
Dingbat 50.00
ashter 50.00
ord33 50.00
Melissa 50.00
Dmackto 10.00
hleone 50.00
fastrock 100.00
mckmz 25.00
Kathy Kay 10.00
jataylor11 100.00
Jack Mclaughlin 250.00


SubTotal: $ 1910.00
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Kathy Kay
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmackto wrote:
dmackto wrote:
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Kathy Kay 10.00


SubTotal: $ 1910.00


Up that to $50 -- it's in the mail
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Chance
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one of those "light bulb" moments this morning. Wonder if it's possible that Kerry's remark about Cheney's daughter was calculated? Now he can go on TV and apologize and have everyone say what a kind, caring man he is. Also would make him come across as having admitted to making a "mistake".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmackto wrote:
Quote:
PLEDGES

reconflyer - random un-famous person by name - $5.00 (think Billy Bob) (a group of native americans gave him a blessing?)
reconflyer - WEALTHIEST - $0.25 (4x.25=1.00)
ArmyMedicsMom - BUT - $0.50 (she's either very brave, very rich or slightly nuts) 79x.50=39.50
RMalloy - drugs from Canada - $2.00
RMalloy - MIDDLE CLASS - $2.00
RMalloy - 40,000 more troops - $5.00
shadowy - for every friendly country, class or religious group JK disses - $5.00
shadowy - for every non-friendly he appeases - $5.00
shadowy - if he disses the military - $20.00
homesteader - BUT - $0.50 (79x.50=39.50)


Quote:

Cash Totals

Tacan70UDN $ 50.00
scot 250.00
Rdtf 25.00
jim_nyc 50.00
Nomorelies 50.00
CTW 250.00
1991932 120.00
richnlori2000 25.00
jerake 50.00
Daniel J. Hutchinson 50.00
oanakat 100.00
geo 20.00
frigatesailor 150.00
Dingbat 50.00
ashter 50.00
ord33 50.00
Melissa 50.00
Dmackto 10.00
hleone 50.00
fastrock 100.00
mckmz 25.00
Kathy Kay 50.00
jataylor11 100.00
Jack Mclaughlin 250.00


SubTotal: $ 1950.00


Looks like we'll make 2,000.00, lets go for 3,000!
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