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[PhD candidate]

I am not Keith Nolan. I have never met Keith Nolan. AOL has tons of subscibers and therefore share a server. However, I am not Keith Nolan, I am not the other guy you mentioned. I am a WOMAN.

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[kate]

My thoughts exactly ASPB...lol

Just can not miss the writing stlye, I'd even PMd another poster about it, and hinted at it on Hist/Students thread.

And, the timing, well could be a coincidence
One registers, then the next day the other returns
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[PhD candidate]

Are you trying in some not so subtle way to call me stupid? I am indeed a PhD student... actually candidate since I have completed my coursework and my internship and have just my dissertation to complete. I am also a member of the adjunct faculty of two colleges and a therapist.

As a therapist, I have studied PTSD extensively and as I have mentioned before I have worked with veterans many of whom suffered the effects of PTSD as a result of Vietnam. I am most proud of my work with them and they were some of the finest men I have ever known. They stood up for people when they were being insulted.

I have never claimed to be a political scientist or a historian and therefore my posts are from the point of view of a humble woman in training to become a clinical psychologist. I wasnt attempting to spark some great intellectual debate or claiming to know everything. Like everyone else here I was merely throwing in my 2 cents.

And perhaps I share the same ideology as the people with whom you have me confused. Maybe there is more than one person that disagrees with the views expressed here... that is a possibility isnt it? And if I am going to be confused with anyone I suppose I should be flattered that it is a man that has authored 10 books.

I will note that I did PM you in an effort to keep what seems to be a personal debate off the board. But you are one of the moderators and you felt it was okay to post here... so I responded here in kind.

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[PhD candidate]

Indeed I did learn the importance of an open exchange of ideas. Honestly, do you really think that goes on here? I have noticed a tendency for those that express a differing point of view to be treated poorly. It is one thing to attack an idea and entirely another to attack a person. There have been several postings debating whether I was one of two other posters and I wonder why that is? Was it because my ideas were not liked? What other reason could it have been? I have only posted a few times and really gave no one any reason to doubt me.

But in an effort to continue an open dialogue I will respond to a couple of points you made. My liberal professors did teach me to question everything but mostly that came from my conservative academic father. He always said I could be liberal so long as I was not a knee-jerk liberal. Meaning, I had to have evidence to back up my argument.

I will go along with you that often we over-pathologize people in this society. Perhaps, there are not as many true cases of PTSD as might be documented in the press. The same could be said for any mental illness. If the liberal media did not report on it, would there be fewer cases diagnosed? Maybe. Does that mean there would be in actual fact fewer cases? Thats a little harder to answer. One effect of the media reporting on mental illness is that people who previously thought they were alone in their suffering now have a name for whats going on. You mention studies that suggest there would be 70 percent fewer cases. What are those studies? I am not saying they don't exist but a reference or two would be nice.

I think you make a valid point about mental illness especially PTSD. But lets not take away from those that do suffer the night terrors, flashbacks and painful intruding memories.

Let us not forget that veterans are not the only ones that suffer the effects of PTSD. I also work in the field of trauma with women and children who suffer as a result of domestic violence. If you wonder where I get my views on violence and why I abhor it as I am sure most people do... understanding my experiences with people (whether they are Vietnam Vets or Domestic Violence victims) would make it clear why I find it hard to support violence of any kind.

I do not support violence in the middle east or anywhere else in the world. However, I would never put down a man or woman that has gone to war for this country. I do truly feel that service to one's country is something to proud of and I think what happened to Vietnam veterans was a tragedy. As I said before, it is one thing to attack an idea (such as our governments choice to go to war) and another to attack a person (such as spitting in the face of Vietnam Veteran).

[ASPB]

Having been a child of the "anti-communist" 50s, a late 60's Vietnam Riverine combat vet, an observer of and participant in mid '60's and early 70's higher education ( '70 UC Berkeley Undergrad), and the father of two graduates of the liberal higher education system I believe that anyone under the age of 40 has been misinformed about the values that this nation was founded upon. So yes, sure, I come to this forum with the biases and preconceptions natural to my experiences.

If I appear to condescend to youth and inexperience, I do! Sorry, that's part of the package you get when corresponding wih an aging Neocon (paleodemocrat) American liberal. Again, I'm sorry. Anyone under the age of 55 doesn't know what it means to be a "American Liberal". Most Vietnam vets that visit here do, but, after all, they're over 55 also.

When I say "values" its not a code word for the far right religious wing of the Republican party. It's the principles embraced by Washingtion, Adams, Jefferson, and Lincoln that represent "values" to me. Sorry, I can't stand Hamilton simply because he supported large central government! One hell of a great bureaucrat though!

As to your last post, it was a very nice piece. At first blush, well communicated. It's 0035 here in California and I'm going to bed. Thanks for your well reasoned post. I'll respond tomorrow to this and to your PM. Welcome to the Warfront!

Best Wishes,

Tom
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[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[ASPB]

G (wb)-damn it NNN! Now that is an inspiring post! Bravo Zulu Mujer!

Just remember that, at times, youth needs education more than a swift kick in the panties! But then again, a swift kick taught me one hell of a lot more.....and a woman did it!
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[KeithNolan]

Navy-Navy-Navy, that was cute the way you dumped more personal invective on PhD Candidate because she objected to being called a sissy. You kind of made her point about the level of dialogue at this website, don't you think?

And what gives with this PhD-Candidate-is-really-Keith-Nolan nonsense? Why do you think that everyone who disagrees with the prevailing idealogy here is either in the pay of the DNC or some kind of dirty-trickster using multiple names in order to stir up trouble?

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Thank you

That was as nonsensical as this new theory that I've bounced on here again as PhD Candidate.

For cripes sake, I'm one of the few people here who uses his real name.

Finally, I object again to all this "sissy" nonsense regarding PhD Candidate. Name calling is not debate.

Thanks,
Keith Nolan (better known by the nicknames given me by various posters here, to include Lady, Buster, Weasel, Geek with a Typewriter, and The Arrogant Adolescent)

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

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Admin note to the forum:

While I can understand the allure of conjecture as to the impetus behind someone's political point of view, the airing of those observations in this forum is just not acceptable and distracts from the dialogue.

Nor do I intend, in the future, to spend time cherry-pick editing and responding within posts to individual infractions. I will simply delete the offending material and, perhaps, your entire post.

For those who do choose to continue in this mode, I would suggest that you archive your posts, especially any lengthy ones, as they will no longer be in this forum for you to edit.

Either return to topical posts, or I'll have to lock this thread.

Thank you

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Okay, I'll be good.

It goes against my training and my instincts, but I'll behave. LOL!
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[coldwarvet]

I am proud of the honorary degree in sociology I earned but didn't receive from the USAF.

My Air force experience - I was on the “zebra team” nick named because our team was made up of two black guys from urban America and two white guys from suburbia American. We spent endless hours out in the western prairie patrolling missile sites. I think we should all have gotten honorary degrees in sociology for what we learned during the time we spent together on the zebra team. You see they just do not teach you everything you need to know in school.

Until the 70s the educational system pretty much left out the painful episodes of the Black experience however I had the benefit of being on the zebra team and got the uncut un-politicized version of the black experience and my black brothers got my version of white suburbia.

On a smaller scale the same thing has happened to the Vietnam era veteran. My three sons have never heard of the VVAW. Had you prior to this election year? And my oldest son is in his senior year in a mass communications program. I can not think of a better case study of what happens when the media abuses its power and goes un challenged. It is my opinion that this chapter of America should be taught just like the black experience is now being taught.

Soldiers who go to battle with one another truly are color blind.

“Never in the course of human events have so many been libeled by so few” - John O’Neal - 1971

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